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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
I just wish the club would announce their decision one way or another now. It’s becoming tedious waiting for Levy to make his mind up
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I just wish the club would announce their decision one way or another now. It’s becoming tedious waiting for Levy to make his mind up
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I actually think, quite remarkably, that he'll not sack Ange. I read something today, obvs some ITK which of course has every chance of being pure nonsense, but to me it felt in my loins....like it had some truth to it....which is that Levy isn't ready to pull the trigger because the players are have such great faith in him as a manager. Weird times....:dohertyshrug:
 
I actually think, quite remarkably, that he'll not sack Ange. I read something today, obvs some ITK which of course has every chance of being pure nonsense, but to me it felt in my loins....like it had some truth to it....which is that Levy isn't ready to pull the trigger because the players are have such great faith in him as a manager. Weird times....:dohertyshrug:
Ange has accumulated a lot of soft power at the club because none of Levy, Lange or Munn are dominant personalities. So the inmates run the asylum in a sense.

This is not a slight on either of those three in terms of the job that they are actually doing. But I can't see none of them acting as any sort of counterweight to Ange in regards to the football. Or hold him and his decisions/methods accountable.

Thankfully, by all accounts, we have one such man on the way.
iu
 
I guess here's my question for this perspective.

I believe Ange bears some, perhaps a lot, of responsibility for our rolling injury crises, and that alone may be a sackable offense. But leave that to one side for the sake of argument.

Assume a different manager, Frank, Glasner, whoever, has the exact same player availability as Ange this season, both with injury, general fitness and fatigue levels, PLUS the SAME focus on rotation to prioritize for the cups. So like Ange they are hell bent for leather to win a trophy, position on the table be damned.

They have the same bodies and same focus game-by-game as Ange did.

How many points do they have over 38 games?

Glasner turns at least half the defeats into draws, and at least a couple draws into wins. I think he'd have 17 or so more points than Ange- at least 55pts for the season, which would have left us in 8th-11th place- throw in two more wins and he gets 61 points, which would have qualified us for EL.

I rate Glasner as a vastly better coach than Ange.
 
Glasner turns at least half the defeats into draws, and at least a couple draws into wins. I think he'd have 17 or so more points than Ange- at least 55pts for the season, which would have left us in 8th-11th place- throw in two more wins and he gets 61 points, which would have qualified us for EL.

I rate Glasner as a vastly better coach than Ange.

Damn such a shame we didn't qualify for EL and we have to settle for CL instead.
 
binned the league in jan, but rushed back two CB's in april for a pointless game, putting their careers in jeopardy....yea sounds right.

He was desperate to win points in the league up until around the 2nd leg of the Frankfurt game. Only at that point did I really notice him prioritizing EL over PL. He even tried that weird 5-2-3 formation to try and get some better defensive performance but it totally backfired on him as he doesn't appear to know how to teach or coach those kind of tactics.

He's most certainly tried to adjust the narrative by casting his campaign as purely based on EL. He's tried to distract from his complete inability to secure PL points.
 
I just wish the club would announce their decision one way or another now. It’s becoming tedious waiting for Levy to make his mind up
Joaquin Phoenix Reaction GIF

He doesn't need to announce that an under contract manager is staying, but obviously if he wants to fire and overweight conman, fraud who knows more about the mating of kangaroos than football he will.

My guess is next week.

All players gone, final pay agreed, EL excitement subsided and Aussie Joe throwing scrimp on the barbee in some far off place.
 
Ange has accumulated a lot of soft power at the club because none of Levy, Lange or Munn are dominant personalities. So the inmates run the asylum in a sense.

This is not a slight on either of those three in terms of the job that they are actually doing. But I can't see none of them acting as any sort of counterweight to Ange in regards to the football. Or hold him and his decisions/methods accountable.

Thankfully, by all accounts, we have one such man on the way.
iu
Super. We have a guy who’s glammed onto Levy like a succubus and despite having a decent eye for a player has never ever shown any talent for putting together a well-balanced team or squad. Juve got worse and worse when Marotta left and he was put in charge. And we’ve been a mess for years.

A guy whose PR far outweighs his track record.
 
Super. We have a guy who’s glammed onto Levy like a succubus and despite having a decent eye for a player has never ever shown any talent for putting together a well-balanced team or squad. Juve got worse and worse when Marotta left and he was put in charge. And we’ve been a mess for years.

A guy whose PR far outweighs his track record.
Tottenham Hotspurs sure has a shit show front office upper management and team manager. Shame the fans are Relegated to expect so little from such a Large organization
 
Those 1st games were just "new manager "bounce" clearly...then he put his stamp on the club...
If he's back next season, it will be the same thing but without those 10 games...

New manager bounce as well as opposing coaches and players weren’t used to Angeball yet.

Once his tactics had been sussed out (after the first 10 games), results and performances have been, generally poor.
 
New manager bounce as well as opposing coaches and players weren’t used to Angeball yet.

Once his tactics had been sussed out (after the first 10 games), results and performances have been, generally poor.

There are other factors as well. After the ten games the injuries started to mount.

I also remember some of our players showcasing the worst of their coach-killer talents with missing goals my mother could tap in and others gifting goals her mother could save.
 
effective at finishing 17th
throwing away 4th rather than finishing 5th
fair play he won the Europa playing park the bus against some pretty ordinary/shite opposition - Ange deserves plaudits for that.

Why do you think the league form will be any better than this season, or the injury crisis we had this season will be any better? I don't think keeping him will end in anything other than Ange being sacked in October but, I can see why Levy would keep him.
As you know with our esteemed chairman, Ange will be given Children and the odd journeyman to bolster the squad when we need decent experienced players to get us up the table.
I'll happy wager that we will be in the title race next season
 
After the first 8 games last season we had 20 pts and were top of the league, the next 30 games collected 46 pts, this season we collected 38 pts. So after those first eight or so games in 2023, we have been getting progressively worse in the PL.

If that trend continues we'll have even less points next season. it's worrying, unless Postecoglou is going to bin his gung ho game plan that has been clearly worked out by other PL teams, we're in trouble.
The win % with our best players is over 70%. The system works.

However, they go to shit when injuries happen and inexperienced players are expected to step up.

Royal and Grey should never have been playing CB. Reggie and Spence aren't good enough backups for Udogie and Porro. Bergvall did step up, but also made a number of costly mistakes. Odobert, Tel and Moore not ready from Premier League at this level.
 
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