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Management Ange Postecoglou

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This statement bothers me a lot, Angeball is not naive, he's been a manager for decades and the tactic is one he's used many times before.

His system accepts you'll give up chances and for that you wil create more, so the logic is risk v reward. This is why I don't believe he ever critices the defence, because he expects we'll be open occasionally.

His system doesn't work because premier league opposition is much more ruthless than the Scottish League or J League, that's not a critique of other leagues, it's just physics, the attacking quality of the Prem is way faster, more varied and productive than these other leagues. It's not naivety, it's a failure to adapt.
Thing is we give up 20 plus attempts on our goal nearly every game whilst creating f all our selves.
 
But like, no we wouldn't, that never would have worked with that backline, and those were the only defenders he had.

He was pretty candid about the bus parking in Bilbao. With his top defenders in there he felt like they could absorb United's pressure. So it was.

Can there be some subtlety and flexibility between the two? "No" is a plausible answer and a good argument for finding someone new.

He had Reguillon on the bench, who was criminally neglected all seasons - even when he had few players on the ground. He put an 18 year old in a semi final against Gakpo, and Spence against Salah. Oh look a goal and an assist each.
Had Biss in that lineup too, so could have easily - heaven forbid - had some tactical nouse to use him to drop back into a 5-3-2.

Sherwood looks like Sun Tzu compared to Ange, whose tactical flexibility is basically like the slider on an old version of Championship Manager that is the same formation, just with either "Ultra Defensive" or "Gung-ho" extremities, with nothing inbetween
 
Well, by the EL Final we were complete shite. We'd not long won the first leg against Liverpool so I think we'd have been capable of shithousing the 2nd leg with a far better performance than what we did against united, and certainly what we did trying to go toe-to-toe with a supremely confident liverpool

We were pretty good in the EL final til we scored. Then the shittest of shithouse Jose ball specials ever
 
The General has to be No 2, he lead us to three trophies. And where is Arthur Rowe???

I’m not sure you have ever watched a Royal Rumble Mrs P.

But to get you up to speed.

Arthur Rowe tries a surprise push-and-run on Venables—but Harry sees it coming and tips Rowe over the ropes! (Elimination #12: Arthur Rowe)

(Clearly Venables and Redknapp have formed a tag team. The WideBoys.)
and


Keith Burkinshaw—He’s grappling with Ange Postecoglou near the ropes. Ange, fired up after eliminating George Graham earlier, channels that aggression and uses a running big boot to send Keith over the top rope! (Elimination #13: Keith Burkinshaw)


Harsh on the two legends but according to Mr Chat this is what would happen. Or possibly has happened in an alternate universe.
 
Lol what? It was 50/50 at best. What had we created or done that made us pretty good? Both sides were passing the ball immediately back to the other team.

Neither side played well in that final for any period of the game.
I was elated to finally win a trophy but it might well be the shittest game of football I've ever watched, and having had Sky Sports as a nipper I've watched plenty a match of the old Stoke v Bolton kind of quality out of sheer boredom.
 
Ho ho ho.

So much less funny than "why don't I play that cauliflower-headed teenager against Gakpo, mate?"

4 goals later...
I mean fine, and I do agree, but this all circles back to the wisdom that

A. we were most likely fucked no matter what we did
B. our only real hope was to play our football as expansively as we could and try to hurt them and generate chances

We had no bus to park in that game. United was a different story.

(Yes, I am aware I have argued myself out of my own post like an hour ago. I contain multitudes.)
 
I mean fine, and I do agree, but this all circles back to the wisdom that

A. we were most likely fucked no matter what we did
B. our only real hope was to play our football as expansively as we could and try to hurt them and generate chances

We had no bus to park in that game.

I didn't say park the bus. I said shithousery.

There's a huge difference, and it is one that we have come up often enough under ange for him to know it. Woolwich have spent 4 seasons finishing in the top 4 with it. We've seen Vicario suffer from it.
 
I didn't say park the bus. I said shithousery.

There's a huge difference, and it is one that we have come up often enough under ange for him to know it. Woolwich have spent 4 seasons finishing in the top 4 with it. We've seen Vicario suffer from it.
It's a tall order at Anfield with all our youth and inexperience.

And our Dark Artist Extraordinaire Romero unavailable.

We shithoused United brilliantly though.
 
I just wish the club would announce their decision one way or another now. It’s becoming tedious waiting for Levy to make his mind up
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I just wish the club would announce their decision one way or another now. It’s becoming tedious waiting for Levy to make his mind up
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I actually think, quite remarkably, that he'll not sack Ange. I read something today, obvs some ITK which of course has every chance of being pure nonsense, but to me it felt in my loins....like it had some truth to it....which is that Levy isn't ready to pull the trigger because the players are have such great faith in him as a manager. Weird times....:dohertyshrug:
 
I actually think, quite remarkably, that he'll not sack Ange. I read something today, obvs some ITK which of course has every chance of being pure nonsense, but to me it felt in my loins....like it had some truth to it....which is that Levy isn't ready to pull the trigger because the players are have such great faith in him as a manager. Weird times....:dohertyshrug:
Ange has accumulated a lot of soft power at the club because none of Levy, Lange or Munn are dominant personalities. So the inmates run the asylum in a sense.

This is not a slight on either of those three in terms of the job that they are actually doing. But I can't see none of them acting as any sort of counterweight to Ange in regards to the football. Or hold him and his decisions/methods accountable.

Thankfully, by all accounts, we have one such man on the way.
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I guess here's my question for this perspective.

I believe Ange bears some, perhaps a lot, of responsibility for our rolling injury crises, and that alone may be a sackable offense. But leave that to one side for the sake of argument.

Assume a different manager, Frank, Glasner, whoever, has the exact same player availability as Ange this season, both with injury, general fitness and fatigue levels, PLUS the SAME focus on rotation to prioritize for the cups. So like Ange they are hell bent for leather to win a trophy, position on the table be damned.

They have the same bodies and same focus game-by-game as Ange did.

How many points do they have over 38 games?

Glasner turns at least half the defeats into draws, and at least a couple draws into wins. I think he'd have 17 or so more points than Ange- at least 55pts for the season, which would have left us in 8th-11th place- throw in two more wins and he gets 61 points, which would have qualified us for EL.

I rate Glasner as a vastly better coach than Ange.
 
Glasner turns at least half the defeats into draws, and at least a couple draws into wins. I think he'd have 17 or so more points than Ange- at least 55pts for the season, which would have left us in 8th-11th place- throw in two more wins and he gets 61 points, which would have qualified us for EL.

I rate Glasner as a vastly better coach than Ange.

Damn such a shame we didn't qualify for EL and we have to settle for CL instead.
 
binned the league in jan, but rushed back two CB's in april for a pointless game, putting their careers in jeopardy....yea sounds right.

He was desperate to win points in the league up until around the 2nd leg of the Frankfurt game. Only at that point did I really notice him prioritizing EL over PL. He even tried that weird 5-2-3 formation to try and get some better defensive performance but it totally backfired on him as he doesn't appear to know how to teach or coach those kind of tactics.

He's most certainly tried to adjust the narrative by casting his campaign as purely based on EL. He's tried to distract from his complete inability to secure PL points.
 
I just wish the club would announce their decision one way or another now. It’s becoming tedious waiting for Levy to make his mind up
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He doesn't need to announce that an under contract manager is staying, but obviously if he wants to fire and overweight conman, fraud who knows more about the mating of kangaroos than football he will.

My guess is next week.

All players gone, final pay agreed, EL excitement subsided and Aussie Joe throwing scrimp on the barbee in some far off place.
 
Ange has accumulated a lot of soft power at the club because none of Levy, Lange or Munn are dominant personalities. So the inmates run the asylum in a sense.

This is not a slight on either of those three in terms of the job that they are actually doing. But I can't see none of them acting as any sort of counterweight to Ange in regards to the football. Or hold him and his decisions/methods accountable.

Thankfully, by all accounts, we have one such man on the way.
iu
Super. We have a guy who’s glammed onto Levy like a succubus and despite having a decent eye for a player has never ever shown any talent for putting together a well-balanced team or squad. Juve got worse and worse when Marotta left and he was put in charge. And we’ve been a mess for years.

A guy whose PR far outweighs his track record.
 
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