Eh, after a huge early bounce two years ago it hasn't really kicked on for Carrick.
Whereas Scott Parker seems to have turned his career around in the Former Spurs Midfielder Managerial Derby.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Whereas Scott Parker seems to have turned his career around in the Former Spurs Midfielder Managerial Derby.
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This is an interesting question.
Before the final, I was Ange Out regardless of if we won or not so I am not the target audience for it. But I think maybe the Ange In crowd could have added some substance to their case for retaining them if we'd won the final in an impressive fashion. Against a decent opponent, in a hostile atmosphere.
As it played out, we were (mostly) poor but ManU were poorer. And we won it by doing exactly the opposite of Ange's confessional play style, which hurts the case for retaining him rather than helping.
I credit him for realizing we were never going to be scoring and deciding to be negative and grind out a result, but his "we only play one way" philosophy is what he'll go back to if he returns, it's never worked for us and it is repudiated by the very trophy itself if you ask me.
ifs and buts, the cold hard fact is Poch won fack all and Ange did. Poch had plenty of chances with an incredibly strong team and chocked every time adding to the spursy legend
2017 - finished second in the league playing great football with the probably the best talent in the league and ultimately it was wasted
Lloris
Toby Alderweirld
Vertonghen
Dier
rose
walker
wanyama
dembele
erisken
Ali
Kane
Subs: Son, Jansen, Trippier, Davies, Wimmer, Sissoko
knocked out of Europa league by Gent...bloody gent
knocked out at home in League cup by West Ham
knocked out of FA cup by Chelsea
and the story is pretty much the same for the domestic cups in his time here, who can forget being knocked out by colchester united.
great manager for us poch, especially at building a competitive team league wise we could be proud of, the likes we'd not seen.
but he was a specialist in failure when it came to cups , shouldve done much better
Fair point. I’m not convinced that he binned off the league on his own. Otherwise, Levy would have surely sacked him late last year.
On the other hand, I’m not convinced of this binning off being a plan. So many times that the team that took the pitch should still have been good enough to win, but didn’t do the basics.
On the Europa run, maybe this wasn’t due to Ange, but if that’s the case, I’d suggest the league defeats can’t lay 100% at his feet either.
And yes, it’s easy to win at Celtic. But I don’t think that’s why he got the job. It wasn’t his results up here, it was the way the team played. Again, easier when you have a squad so much better than the oppo.
I think Carrick has shortened because, for some reason, Joe Cole has opined that he would be good.
Man Utd legend backed to replace Ange Postecoglou at Tottenham
Ange Postecoglou is expected to discover this week his Tottenham fate and is at 'extreme risk' of being sacked by Spurs.
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I think 17 years was reason enough for Levy to hang in there and not sack him while we had a chance.
I think the fallout from sacking Mourinho before a final was reason enough for Levy to shy away from doing it again.
I think the embarrassment of taking months to replace Mourinho and Conte was a big factor with Levy not wanting to repeat that.
It was a perfect Storm for Ange. He was never losing his job, no matter how dismal we were in the league that pays more money for a top half finish than we got for winning the Europa League.
This whole he threw the league since January for Europa is revisionist history.
He only started rotating (i.e not playing his best players available) once the quarter came around. In April.
While he didn't have a full squad in January, because of injuries he played a role in, he absolutely played his best team in the league as available.
He only started rotating (i.e not playing his best players available) once the quarter came around. In April.
While he didn't have a full squad in January, because of injuries he played a role in, he absolutely played his best team in the league as available.
Get on with it.
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If he gets sacked get vibe he will make a massive big deal over it and write a book or appear hard done by on aussie tv. Won us a trophy and thanks but cant go into new season where i fear relegation under him. I just think he simplfies it too much. Premier league is elite. You cant cut corners.
It does no one any good this decision being announced getting dragged out.. If the decision is that he's going, you just make it more painful, awkward and fractious by dragging it out.. If the decision is to keep him, then he goes into the new season underminded by the obvious umming and ahhing over his future. The world'll know that he starts the season on the brink.. Which can't work.Get on with it.
Ange Postecoglou sack: Thomas Frank ready to join Tottenham; Top transfer target revealed
Tottenham have held further talks with Thomas Frank and the Brentford manager is open to replacing Ange Postecoglou at Spurs, TEAMtalk understands.
And, to be fair, from November 2023-May 2024, he couldnt handle the PL by itself.
Just not cut for managing in this league. His complete disinterest in defending cannot be successful. If he takes a lesser PL squad he'll get them relegated.
Think he has a shot in the MLS, where tactical sophistication is minimal.
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Get on with it.
Ange Postecoglou sack: Thomas Frank ready to join Tottenham; Top transfer target revealed
Tottenham have held further talks with Thomas Frank and the Brentford manager is open to replacing Ange Postecoglou at Spurs, TEAMtalk understands.
"His ability to maximize resources and develop young talent has caught the attention of the Tottenham hierarchy"
There it is
It' s always the same. Levy is always looking for the manager to get more out of the players already present. There is never a 'project' that involves wholesale changes bent on stocking up first team talent. Levy is repeating himself again.
That remark would seem to damn Ange's chances, however. If Ange returns he's going to return to basically the same personnel, and play the same way, which means the same results.
Fair comment. In two important respects Ange has succeeded:
- we've won a major trophy at long fucking last. I don't diminish this. It's huge.
- our squad is a lot batter than it was 2 years ago. We have some good young players. No Kane, and Son is a sub now, but neither are on Ange. We actually just need a couple of proper PL players now to have a really decent squad. I appreciate that he's had some gaffs too (Werner etc), but generally our hires and exits over the past two years have moved us in the right direction
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He's still here then?
P28 W12 D4 L12, 40 points.
It's very much mid table form but you can't dismiss the first 10 games. When we were sat with 8 wins, top of the league, many voices were critical of it being the easiest start to a Premier League season ever. That of course meant those so called easy games weren't played from November to May.
How many of the defeats were truly shocking?
West Ham at home, Wolves home and away, Fulham and Brighton away maybe?
A 66 point season is not that bad. Only once of the 6 season since Poch left have we achieved more with 71 under Nuno and Conte.
Had we the same results in a different order, the perception would be quite different. Finishing the season on a weak, whimper leaves a lasting memory but you have to take the season in its entirety, not the bit that suits wanting Ange sacked only.
Disagree with your last point. Recent results are obviously more important to any rational assessment of how a coach is doing. They are a better guide to future results, in the near term at least.