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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Don Pedro said:
The last 2 performances were unacceptable for me. Lack of heart and fight in both games. After such a strong display against Liverpool, its so frustrating.

I think Ange will be lucky to finish the season. Its become unacceptable whats happened and we can never accept the unacceptable!
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His failure to rotate earlier in the season has ruined us.

There’s a reason why Bergvall, Gray, and Spence have looked like our best players lately. All part time players earlier.

Same reason why players who have played every match for us (Solanke, Kulu, Porro) have dropped off immensely
 
TomHotspur said:
Forest debatable, but it’s closer than you think, particularly their starting 11 compared to ours.

But certainly Liverpool, Woolwich, City, Chelsea, Newcastle, Villa all have better squads than us. United if they get their act together potentially as well.

Point is, we’re a mid table side on paper.

We have absolutely no divine right to be challenging for top 4.
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That's an extreme.

The squad is easily good enough to challenge for the top 4 (which is currently another 3-4 wins) but it's not top certified top 4 material.
 
Matt1882 said:
There is an explanation for any positive stat any cultist can come up with.
The +GD is because we scored a lot of goals in a small number of games.
Liverpool in the cup aside, every "big win" we've had has been against a big name in bad form, down to 10 or even 9 etc.

It's not the players. They looks entirely uncoached at this stage. There's nothing there anymore, no muscle memory, no plan, nothing.

He's a total fraud and has to go.
And of you're still behind him, you can fuck off with him.
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Thing is we've seen this time and time again...

A new manager comes in and there will be an uptick in performance, if nothing else because they will do something different, and probably get back to basics as a starting point.

I can't believe that people actually think that this is it, nobody could be doing better, it's bizarre.

Not even commenting on his managerial ability, Ange has gotten himself muddled up mid-project and hasn't a clue how to get himself back on track, he's disappeared up his own arse and can't find a way out, the only way this is going to get better is with a fresh start.
 
Shadydan said:
Some wild takes in here :D

Our squad is much better than what it's currently showing but I don't think it's top 4 material, it's top 6 and pushing top 4 IMO
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Agreed, truth is in middle of the extremums as per usual.

I would also say that our squad is currently far from "guaranteed top 4". Likes of Liverpool, Woolwich, ManCity and Chelsea are ahead of us I'd say.
Newcastle has some really brilliant players (Gordon and specially Isak upfront; Guimares and Joelington in MF), but their defense is VERY meeh.
Aston Villa is another one in the middle - they have some really good players, but depth is quite questionable.
ManU has some players but they are in turmoil, overall squad-quality-wise I would put us ahead of them.

I would say that there are 4 teams ahead of us. And then 2 teams we are more or less on similar level. ManU one notch below.

But we surely don't have bad enough squad to be on 14th place, on equal points with Crystal Palace on 15th.
 
I think it’s both true that the squad isn’t good enough, and that a lot of other managers out there would get more from this squad.

I simply don’t want us spending more money on Ange specific players when we could get a better manager and give them the money.

I think it says something when Kulu is our best attacker, yeah he is good, but my word, where does he compare to some of the attacking players we’ve had in the last 35 years - he wouldn’t make the top 10.

Two things need to happen, 1. We need a better manager, the sooner the better, give him time this season to assess where he needs to strengthen 2. Proper summer spending, co ordinated, joined up thinking with a long term plan. Like Woolwich have done, it needs to be sustained over 3 summers.

I expect number 1 will happen but not 2 and we will get someone decent who will have us around CL spots but never backed to go any further - but that is an improvement on what we currently have
 
Herclueless said:
Thing is we've seen this time and time again...

A new manager comes in and there will be an uptick in performance, if nothing else because they will do something different, and probably get back to basics as a starting point.

I can't believe that people actually think that this is it, nobody could be doing better, it's bizarre.

Not even commenting on his managerial ability, Ange has gotten himself muddled up mid-project and hasn't a clue how to get himself back on track, he's disappeared up his own arse and can't find a way out, the only way this is going to get better is with a fresh start.
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For the last 4/5 months of the season it’s exactly what we need. A bounce and up tick.

Worry about next season in May. Right now they need wins and points on the board. We are virtually guaranteed to lose to any of the top 6 home or away for the remainder of the season on current evidence. And you can 100% write off the Bridge and Anfield. We probably have 6-8 games in which to score the 20 points needed to completely avoid a nightmare final act.

Time is now to change.
 
The time for long term strategy was over months ago. This is press the panic button time. If he’s still in charge at the weekend then for the first time in my life I’ll be cheering on the oppo.
A 4-0 loss at EFC with 2 players sent off and Ange decking the ref? If it takes that then bring it on.
 
Richard Splash said:
Ange specific players
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what like a johnson to come in and play 'possession' football.....

Cracking Up Lol GIF by HULU
 
Herclueless said:
Thing is we've seen this time and time again...

A new manager comes in and there will be an uptick in performance, if nothing else because they will do something different, and probably get back to basics as a starting point.

I can't believe that people actually think that this is it, nobody could be doing better, it's bizarre.

Not even commenting on his managerial ability, Ange has gotten himself muddled up mid-project and hasn't a clue how to get himself back on track, he's disappeared up his own arse and can't find a way out, the only way this is going to get better is with a fresh start.
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You think he has got his vision muddled? Maybe you are correct but also the stupidity of not surrounding yourself with elite coaches to get your vision across is pure stupidity.

The fact is we do not seem to be doing anything to take advantage of the opposition weaknesses. We do not look to create pockets of space. We don't look to create space by stretching teams. Too often we make the pitch smaller by inverting our full backs. Our press has no organisation or Triggers. I just do not know what we are coaching.
 
TomHotspur said:
Forest debatable, but it’s closer than you think, particularly their starting 11 compared to ours.

But certainly Liverpool, Woolwich, City, Chelsea, Newcastle, Villa all have better squads than us. United if they get their act together potentially as well.

Point is, we’re a mid table side on paper.

We have absolutely no divine right to be challenging for top 4.
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This squad is nowhere near where I want it to be, but it’s definitely good enough to be in around that 4- 8 collection of teams. Us being in this position is purely because we have the worst manager in the premier league and that’s not even hyperbole to say.

What makes things worse is none of the top sides are even that great this year any type of consistency is going to have you in the mix (look at forest) if we had hired a proper manager instead of ange we would be up there even with this squad.
 
Ange isn’t guy but I’ve no interest in a mason or Moyes type in until the summer.

If the next guy won’t take the job now. (Iraola etc) there’s no point in changing
 
Please stop defending Ange, he’s out of his depth. Lovely attacking football but football is so much more than playing like FIFA.

He’s a good manager, world class at getting a team to attack well, but an all rounder for the premier league top table? No.

He needs to go, we are a couple of losses away from a genuine relegation battle. You can’t seriously look at our team and have belief they will put a string of wins together with confidence.

We might make a cup final and he could possible even win it, so did Ramos when he was manager. Jose got to a final and wasn’t this low before he got sacked.

21 games and we are on 24 points, over half the season gone and we’ve followed the same poor form as we did at the end of last season.

Ange has been found out by the other managers, it’s time to go.
 
When Bentancur came back from injuring his achilles, people rightly said it would take time to get him back up to speed. When players are out for months on end, should that be factored in too?
 
Macch said:
His failure to rotate earlier in the season has ruined us.

There’s a reason why Bergvall, Gray, and Spence have looked like our best players lately. All part time players earlier.

Same reason why players who have played every match for us (Solanke, Kulu, Porro) have dropped off immensely
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Don't forget Udogie please (!) he has been shell of himself this season, playing almost all the games. Even soon after recovering from knocks.
Has been invisible on the attacking side this season.
0 goals and 1 assist from 1816 (!!) minutes. ONE goal contribution. But still played when he was fit enough to stand.
Spence has 1+2 in 758 minutes and really unlucky not to have few more (like yesterdays run where he put in perfect cross to Solanke).
 
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