The question is, how many kids did they bring into the club and how many failed to become top flight players.
If they bought in 30, then that's a good result. If it was 300 it's poor
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The question is, how many kids did they bring into the club and how many failed to become top flight players.
If they bought in 30, then that's a good result. If it was 300 it's poor
Because the director knows the transfer budget, leaving Levy to focus on what he does best- expanding the commercial income of the club.
Easily. I’ve been banging this drum since Mitchell left.
Failure to sign a striker and defensive midfielder in January fucked us as much as the Kane and son injuries. Someone in charge of transfers WITH A PLAN would have had those players identified and worked on. We did nothing but middle through not addressing the problem positions.
And as others have said the DOF will oversee the scouting and identifying of players
Because a DOF works 100% with player recruitment and player sales. A DOF leads the scouting team, complies reports that then go to the manager (Mourinho) and he can pick from that. Or Jose can suggest a player for the DOF to look at and he gets report from the DOF on if he fits the clubs model, style of play and such. He then goes and negotiates a potential deal if we want the player.
The key point being putting someone in charge of player recruitment, sales and ensuring that youth players move into first team football (either with us or on loan) that can have that as their job/focus area. Instead of the current setup where Levy does this in between all his other duties.
Levy gets to focus on his strength (being a business man)
Jose gets to focus on training and developing the team.
The Sporting Director takes care of ins and outs from the first team.
Successful clubs with the president/chairman in charge of recruitment are very rare (Basically Real Madrid and Lyon).
They did not get a ban for how they ran/run their academy.
That is false.
150 rule breaches?
Chelsea were given a transfer ban after 150 rule breaches involving 69 academy players over several seasons, says a judgement published by Fifa.
Chelsea transfer ban: Fifa punishment 'after 150 rule breaches involving 69 academy players'
Chelsea were given a transfer ban after 150 rule breaches involving 69 academy players over several seasons, says a judgement published by Fifa.
www.bbc.co.uk
It won't.
Changing to DOF won't make any difference as long as levy has the final say.
The only thing it might do is levy could say yes to young players that the DOF has identified. This is going back to Arnesen model. Which I don't see much difference to what we have done recently. We signed young players like Clarke, Sess, Gedson. We also have young players who are more senior like GLC, Ndombele and Bergwijn.
Only GLC had paid off so far.
Additionally we've let go of KWP and Amos.
The debate is whether young players through the DOF strategy takes us to the next level. Between 2016-18 we needed top quality ready made players to add to our squad.
Now we need an overhaul of young and ready made players.
We are going through an identity crisis as a club. This filters into our club hierarchy and recruitment policy. This needs to be solved now - so that we can use the remaining games to work out which players to keep and sell.
Not really in favour of it unless the manager gets the final say, and if he does, a DoF is just a glorified scout.
At least we would have one. Didn’t Poch basically fuck the scouts off?
150 rule breaches?
Chelsea were given a transfer ban after 150 rule breaches involving 69 academy players over several seasons, says a judgement published by Fifa.
Chelsea transfer ban: Fifa punishment 'after 150 rule breaches involving 69 academy players'
Chelsea were given a transfer ban after 150 rule breaches involving 69 academy players over several seasons, says a judgement published by Fifa.www.bbc.co.uk
Nice
According to Transfermarkt our scouting department consists of 3 people. One of which is the head of our academy.
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Trainer, Manager und Co.: Diese Statistik listet alle Mitarbeiter, gegliedert nach ihrer Funktion, von dem Verein Tottenham auf, die aktuell für den Verein arbeiten.
Steve Hitchen, our suppossed head scout is not even listed. So it might be a bit out of date tbf.
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Seems a bit small to me. 3 scouts for a club our size?According to Transfermarkt our scouting department consists of 3 people. One of which is the head of our academy.
Tottenham Hotspur - Staff
Trainer, Manager und Co.: Diese Statistik listet alle Mitarbeiter, gegliedert nach ihrer Funktion, von dem Verein Tottenham auf, die aktuell für den Verein arbeiten.www.transfermarkt.com
Steve Hitchen, our suppossed head scout is not even listed. So it might be a bit out of date tbf.
There’s a couple of others that have almost graduated from the cubs.
I assume that we also use external scouts/freelancers as well. And stats companies like OptaJoe also do scouting for various clubs so we probably have a deal with one of those.
A lot of modern scouting is connections. And sporting directors often have more of those in the relevant field than chairmen.
We still had the same scouts lead by Steve Hitchen and head of youth John McDermott.
Poch had the final say on players but it was up to Levy to get the deal done. It was a round table with Hitchen, Poch, and Levy. That we got Jack Clarke in...and then out on loan probably says a bit about how well that ran.
A DOF would help things providing it was the right person. But to be fair there are so many metrics involved and with the prices attached it is a much wider team activity.
What is a complete crock of shit (for whatever reason) is that with all the hundreds of strikers out there in the world we haven't managed to track down a single one in how many windows now? Shirley a DOF would be planning out the next three windows in advance.
Don't know where to put this - it's an article from the Athletic with some interesting stuff.
theathletic.com
Here is the key passage that caught my eye, and given the recent window it seemed worth sharing.
Wenger was once renowned as the most sophisticated mind in English football, but he rarely sounded more outdated than the day he reacted to headlines about Woolwich’s attempts to modernise their structure. “I’m manager of Woolwich and as long as I am manager, I will decide what happens on the technical front,” he said.
Football doesn’t work that way anymore. Long before Wenger and Sir Alex Ferguson moved on from Woolwich and Manchester United respectively, they were the last of a breed of a manager who expected to control the entire football department. Some excel on the training pitch and others in the dressing room, but the widespread acceptance throughout the game is that a head coach or manager can no longer run the show from top to bottom. The job has changed dramatically since it entailed looking after 20-30 professionals and a small backroom staff, when scouting a potential signing meant getting in the car, driving the motorway and making one or two personal checks on a player before pleading with the board to wrap up a seven-figure deal.
Jurgen Klopp, who previously worked with the excellent Michael Zorc at Borussia Dortmund and now works with Edwards at Liverpool, swears by the model. So does Pep Guardiola, who would not even have come to Manchester City had it not been for the friendly, persuasive presence of his former Barcelona team-mate Txiki Begiristain as director of football.
Mauricio Pochettino is an interesting case. Few would dispute that most of Tottenham’s best signings of recent years (Toby Alderweireld, Dele Alli, Son Heung-min, Kieran Trippier) came when Paul Mitchell, recruited from Southampton on his request, was there as head of recruitment between 2014 and 2016, but when Mitchell left for RB Leipzig, the coach was resistant to the idea of replacing him.
Mitchell is one of those strategy and recruitment specialists whose stock has risen dramatically over the past decade, a former MK Dons player who, after retiring through injury at the age of 27, took charge of the club’s recruitment before moving on to Southampton, Tottenham, Leipzig and now Monaco. Another is Stuart Webber, a former academy coach at Wrexham who went from Liverpool to Wolves to QPR to Huddersfield Town to Norwich City, his reputation as a strategist rising everywhere he went.
Kay: A director of football won’t always work – but can cut deadline-day gambles
Directors of football are not guaranteed to work but surely help minimise the risk of failed transfers, writes Oliver Kay
theathletic.com
Here is the key passage that caught my eye, and given the recent window it seemed worth sharing.
Wenger was once renowned as the most sophisticated mind in English football, but he rarely sounded more outdated than the day he reacted to headlines about Woolwich’s attempts to modernise their structure. “I’m manager of Woolwich and as long as I am manager, I will decide what happens on the technical front,” he said.
Football doesn’t work that way anymore. Long before Wenger and Sir Alex Ferguson moved on from Woolwich and Manchester United respectively, they were the last of a breed of a manager who expected to control the entire football department. Some excel on the training pitch and others in the dressing room, but the widespread acceptance throughout the game is that a head coach or manager can no longer run the show from top to bottom. The job has changed dramatically since it entailed looking after 20-30 professionals and a small backroom staff, when scouting a potential signing meant getting in the car, driving the motorway and making one or two personal checks on a player before pleading with the board to wrap up a seven-figure deal.
Jurgen Klopp, who previously worked with the excellent Michael Zorc at Borussia Dortmund and now works with Edwards at Liverpool, swears by the model. So does Pep Guardiola, who would not even have come to Manchester City had it not been for the friendly, persuasive presence of his former Barcelona team-mate Txiki Begiristain as director of football.
Mauricio Pochettino is an interesting case. Few would dispute that most of Tottenham’s best signings of recent years (Toby Alderweireld, Dele Alli, Son Heung-min, Kieran Trippier) came when Paul Mitchell, recruited from Southampton on his request, was there as head of recruitment between 2014 and 2016, but when Mitchell left for RB Leipzig, the coach was resistant to the idea of replacing him.
Mitchell is one of those strategy and recruitment specialists whose stock has risen dramatically over the past decade, a former MK Dons player who, after retiring through injury at the age of 27, took charge of the club’s recruitment before moving on to Southampton, Tottenham, Leipzig and now Monaco. Another is Stuart Webber, a former academy coach at Wrexham who went from Liverpool to Wolves to QPR to Huddersfield Town to Norwich City, his reputation as a strategist rising everywhere he went.