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Yiddy

The Mercurial No.10 said:
Great comparison there. Pointless even talking to you.
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I know I know us that don't see that winks is the best midfielder of his generation and the greatest ball recycler of all time are of inferior football intelligence to those that see the greatness of winks and the phenomenal amount of top quality displays he puts in. I bow down to all of you winks enthusiasts that clearly know the game so much better :mourglasses:
 
candrews

candrews

daveyboy88 said:
the attacking players are suffocated because we have too many donkeys at the back and in midfield who cant supply them with any quality. CDM is required to make things happen and get things going on the ball as well as protect the defence. its not asking too much of a footballer to actually be able to do something positive with a football. aurier, sanchez, winks and sissoko are fucking donkeys who are going to bring pressure onto us because not only are they incompetent on the ball individually but then they are surrounded by each other. no wonder we cant keep the ball, we have too many donkeys playing at the same time. if our CDMs could play a bit we would be ok. stick a modric next to hojbjerg and the difference would be massive, stick a sissoko or winks next to him and you surrender possession to 9/10 teams.

mourinho has to get a proper CM in this window..
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I don't particularly disagree with you to be fair. I don't think Winks deserves to be thrown in with some of the others who aren't the best technically yet who might other strengths. I'm definitely all for us playing more flair players, and a more progressive style of football. It's just not gonna happen under Jose realistically though is it? I'd personally prefer ndombele deeper, but I'd rather much have winks in the middle over sissoko for your reasons above.
 

daveyboy88

candrews said:
I don't particularly disagree with you to be fair. I don't think Winks deserves to be thrown in with some of the others who aren't the best technically yet who might other strengths. I'm definitely all for us playing more flair players, and a more progressive style of football. It's just not gonna happen under Jose realistically though is it? I'd personally prefer ndombele deeper, but I'd rather much have winks in the middle over sissoko for your reasons above.
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but why would you rather winks over sissoko? they pretty much offer the same shit on the ball, at least sissoko offers you some strengths off the ball.

ideally you want players who can actually get on the ball and do something with it in midfield. its the reason we have fuck all possession in every game, the midfield are incompetent footballers, then they have donkeys behind them too. its a recipe for disaster over 90 minutes and its showing. the best front 3 in the world would struggle with our midfield.
 
candrews

candrews

daveyboy88 said:
but why would you rather winks over sissoko? they pretty much offer the same shit on the ball, at least sissoko offers you some strengths off the ball.

ideally you want players who can actually get on the ball and do something with it in midfield. its the reason we have fuck all possession in every game, the midfield are incompetent footballers, then they have donkeys behind them too. its a recipe for disaster over 90 minutes and its showing. the best front 3 in the world would struggle with our midfield.
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I think Winks is better on the ball. I also think with time he'd get to grips with the new tactics he's being asked to play - which he is actually showing. He's better in tight spaces and has more composure than sissoko. Also tends to have better defensive awareness too. The balance of the team was well off tonight and it was painful to see. Would have been nice to see an actual attacking player on the right instead of sissoko there. It didn't do anyone any favours.
 
ryuzakiluke100

ryuzakiluke100

candrews said:
You want him to attempt more dribbles when he's quite often our deepest midfielder right Infront of the back 4? Have a feeling you wouldn't last long in this mourinho side... Our right side was useless today. I distinctly remember holjberg throwing his hands up in the air when turning that way and realising nobody on the right side had even attempted to get themselves into space... Yet you want Harry to magically dribble and start sending balls into sissoko who's legit trampoleen foot whenever he's in the opposition's half? Hmmm...
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I don't want anything of your twisted narrative.

I am responding to a post using the quantity of touches as indication of involvement.

And heat map, and touches map showed, he might be the deepest midfielder, yet he's not covering the space his role supposed to do. He moved to the left side, more often than not. There is disconnection of his his heat map to the action on our right side in our own half.

Which surprising for someone with the most touches, and so much action on the left side and more action in opposition half than our own right side half, doesn't attempt to dribble.

Stats answers stats. That's the point.
 

daveyboy88

candrews said:
I think Winks is better on the ball. I also think with time he'd get to grips with the new tactics he's being asked to play - which he is actually showing. He's better in tight spaces and has more composure than sissoko. Also tends to have better defensive awareness too. The balance of the team was well off tonight and it was painful to see. Would have been nice to see an actual attacking player on the right instead of sissoko there. It didn't do anyone any favours.
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winks is better on the ball? what by passing backwards or sideways to another donkey putting them under pressure? winks simple passes arent even of a high quality which is the least youd expect from a player who has no positives. at least when sissoko is next to hojbjerg he provides us some muscle and power in midfield. winks just offers us absolutely fuck all. you say hes better on the ball but i dont think he is. sissoko can at least take the ball up the other end of the pitch from time to time with it at his feet. a fairly decent technical conference midfielder could do what winks does, backwards and sideways nothing passes...i bet the conference player would be quicker and stronger too.
 
CollyQC

CollyQC

candrews said:
Could see City signing him for a chunk and using him similar to how we are currently using him in all honesty. Personally think he's a better player than Fred at United too. Definitely better than milner...
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Winks is nowhere near as good as Fred. They are both shit at shooting but Fred is a vastly superior player. Took him a while to get going granted. I don't think he's better than milner, and he's 72 years old
 
5purs

5purs

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The Mercurial No.10

The Mercurial No.10

Yiddy said:
I know I know us that don't see that winks is the best midfielder of his generation and the greatest ball recycler of all time are of inferior football intelligence to those that see the greatness of winks and the phenomenal amount of top quality displays he puts in. I bow down to all of you winks enthusiasts that clearly know the game so much better :mourglasses:
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Well considering you compared a midfielder whose job it is to move the ball around and keep possession to a centre forward who came on as fresh legs and scored, it seems like you don't have a fucking clue tbh.
 
Don Corleone

Don Corleone

He isn’t good enough guys, there’s no other way to describe it. Would Winks get in any of the current top 6 midfield ? Not a chance and there’s you’re answer. He’s a decent squad player and I have no issue with him being part of our squad, but the guy isn’t good enough. When you have bang average players like Winks and Sissoko occupying the midfield, you already know you are onto a loser. Points were dropped the moment Mourinho played these 2 together.
 

daveyboy88

Totti said:
25% win percentage when he's played in the league this season
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sounds about right. every time you see him in the lineup, no matter who hes with or who we are against you fear for us. same with sissoko if its against weaker opposition, you know if sissoko is on against a team we should be bossing that its going to be a 50/50 and we need kane or son to be on fire to pull through
 
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daveyboy88 said:
sounds about right. every time you see him in the lineup, no matter who hes with or who we are against you fear for us. same with sissoko if its against weaker opposition, you know if sissoko is on against a team we should be bossing that its going to be a 50/50 and we need kane or son to be on fire to pull through
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67% win percentage without him.
 
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