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Not directly, but ultimately it is. If they're not motivated or managed properly its down to the coach, appointed by Levy.

Then you have to ask why, after several managers and a few years of poor performances are the likes of Dier and Sanchez still here? Why have we not even tried to replace Vertonghen who left 3 years ago? Why has there been no proper succession planning for Hugo whos been getting worse for 2 or 3 years now?

Buck always stops at the top

Nah I don’t buy that. It’s not a directly or ultimately situation. They have 1 job. Perform for 90minutes. Not getting their shit together is down to them. You kill the other noise while you’re on the pitch. You’re a professional footballer.

What happens on the football pitch the players have total control of.

5 conceded in 20minutes is a fucking joke. There is no excuse for that.
We can agree to disagree. That’s cool with me.
 
Hahahahahha see what I mean? Still trying to excuse Levy. Pointless.

Who kept Stellini on? Who has continually not upgraded on dross like Dier? Who has made decisions which have led to total chaos at the club which undoubtedly impacts the players?

The players know the club is in the shit, they have no leadership at any level, and many are straight up bad footballers who shouldn’t be here. ALL of this falls at the chairman’s door.
But you're not getting it.

Ex managers like Pochettino , Mourinho, Conte, AVB, Ramos, Redknapp......All appointed by Levy, are wrong.

Ex players, too many to mention, are wrong.

But ol' stevee stevee of The Fighting Cock, bless. He's right, of course.

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I remember when ENIC first came in they'd snap up young English talent from the lower leagues. Walker, Dawson, Jenas, Defoe, Carrick, Lennon off the top of my head. They don't seem to do that anymore.

Nowadays they just buy foreigners for big money who disappoint. I think ENIC now are as stale as our team. Levy's made himself a fortune and understandably isn't as hungry.

We also nabbed players from lower Premier league teams. E.g dembele.

Not easy to do that nowadays unless a players contract is running out, which seems to be one of our selection criteria for entering a negotiation *cough*Hojberg*cough*
 
If you think that Newcastle have vastly superior players than us, then it's obvious that you don't understand football.

You can blame a lot of things on Enic/Levy, but that performance today wasn't one of them.

The performance is a direct result from upstream decisions....

We all knew spurs needed centre halves. Would we have shipped 6 vs Newcastle if we signed even someone like Lewis Dunk.....

We was also linked to sven batman before newcastle
 
Nah I don’t buy that. It’s not a directly or ultimately situation. They have 1 job. Perform for 90minutes. Not getting their shit together is down to them. You kill the other noise while you’re on the pitch. You’re a professional footballer.

What happens on the football pitch the players have total control of.

5 conceded in 20minutes is a fucking joke. There is no excuse for that.
We can agree to disagree. That’s cool with me.
It doesn’t happen like that. I know a few ex pros and you would be surprised how influential the non football leadership are. Todays performance was inexcusable, but I can see why our weak leadership sees us miss out on trophies. It’s a nice to have rather than a win at all costs expectation and that’s not all the manager to build that culture
 
It doesn’t happen like that. I know a few ex pros and you would be surprised how influential the non football leadership are. Todays performance was inexcusable, but I can see why our weak leadership sees us miss out on trophies. It’s a nice to have rather than a win at all costs expectation and that’s not all the manager to build that culture

I’m in agreement about over a season not winning anything and the culture a club creates has a difference.

But 3-0 down inside 10 minutes. That’s schoolboy level.
These are professional players - some taking a weekly wage that most in here can probably only dream about earning in a calendar year. They can hide but they were the only ones who could affect that result today.

So that first 20mins was on the players.

Ok another note.

IMO Levy is going to have to watch this club hit some huge fucking rocks the next few seasons. Maybe he will step away from the football side altogether. The money comes in from plenty of other directions now.

Kane and his goals have carried this club for half a decade. Let’s see what happens without them.
 
Remember when he did his PR thing about the stadium?

He said there was more good things to come but he couldn't say it yet?

What a fucking clown.

Unless it involves him and ENIC fucking off, what can they say that is exciting?
Concerts, Boxing, Rugby, NFL. He’s delivered and some buddy, come on now, Go Karts, Sky Walks, Conferences.

This stadium is a entrepreneurial jizz fest.

This team is a turgid nightmare.
 
Found this on twitter, can't say I disagree with it at all, especially the bolded part...

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Broken Tottenham are paying the price for four years of bad decisions

The 6-1 capitulation at Newcastle was a new low point for Spurs - but it's been coming for some time
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There have been many moments over the last four wasted years when it felt as if Tottenham Hotspur were finally, miserably bottoming out.

The defeats to Bayern Munich and Brighton & Hove Albion that showed the Mauricio Pochettino era had come to an end. The 3-0 loss to Dinamo Zagreb, whose manager had just been sent to prison, a month before Jose Mourinho was sacked. Any of Nuno Espirito Santo’s five league defeats, especially 3-1 at Woolwich, or the 3-0 to Manchester United that ended his reign. Burnley away under Antonio Conte, or Leicester City away, or Sheffield United away, when Spurs gave up on this season’s FA Cup. Even Bournemouth last week felt like a new low.

But none of them have anything on this.

Looking back, all of those bad moments, as painful as they were at the time, were just minor hiccups and inconveniences along the road compared to St James’ Park today. If you want to know what a real nadir looks like, just watch back the first 21 minutes of this game.

This first half of the first half, when Newcastle United scored five of their six goals, was arguably the worst extended sequence of football you will ever see from a Premier League side. Not just in relative terms, given that Spurs are nominally chasing a top-four finish, finished fourth last season and have players as good as Harry Kaneand Son Heung-min. But in absolute terms too: nobody at this level shows up anywhere and plays this badly. Interim manager Cristian Stellini admitted it was the worst performance he had ever seen and no one who was here would disagree.

This was a non-performance from a non-team, perfectly representing a manager-less, direction-less club.

It has been clear for weeks that there is very little holding Tottenham together any more: no spirit, no confidence, no unity, no organisation, no discipline, no character, no passion and no plan. But we have only seen it in ominous glimpses which hinted at a terrifying truth: the last 15 minutes at Southamptonjust over a month ago, the last 20 minutes at Everton in the following game, longer spells in the next two against Brighton and Bournemouth.

Now here were Stellini’s Spurs, naked in front of the world, looking lonely, lost strangers not only to one another but to the fact they are a football team.

Many fans will point fingers at the players and it is impossible to disagree with them. They could not have made it any easier for Newcastle. They were second to every tackle or loose ball. They ducked out of challenges as if they were trying to avoid injury. (Cristian Romero is still playing as if he is trying to save himself for a forthcoming World Cup, letting Joelinton past him for the first two goals — although he is not the only one.)

Tottenham were tactically brainless, playing a dangerously high line while never putting any pressure on the ball. It was insultingly easy for Newcastle to play through them or to just stick the ball in behind them, run straight onto it and score. Their second and fourth goals were painfully similar and painfully obvious, and yet it never even occurred to Spurs to make it difficult for them. When Jacob Murphy scored Newcastle’s third from 30 yards, after nine minutes, nobody tried to put up any resistance.

Newcastle would have had a harder time playing against training-pitch mannequins.

We could go on all day about what a failure of character this is from a set of players who have grievously let down the football club yet again. Some of the team’s more normally reserved members lost their tempers at half-time in the dressing room but, by that point, the game was already lost.

But there is a bigger picture here too. We could blame Stellini for sending them out in this 4-3-3, with a back four made up of at least three, and possibly four, defenders who are not cut out to play in such a system. Ivan Perisic and Pedro Porro are wingers who have learned to play wing-back, but they are not full-backs. Eric Dier is far more at home in a back three. Romero has played in a four for Argentina but in the Premier League looks like he needs the extra protection.

Stellini insisted afterwards that he did train the players in the back four last week. But it certainly did not look that way as Spurs were cut open time after time. It makes you wonder what sort of commitment to improvement there is on that training ground. It was telling that it took a return to 3-4-3, and the introduction of last weekend’s fall-guy Davinson Sanchez, for them to stop conceding every time Newcastle came forward.

But Stellini is a fall guy himself, so pouring too much of the blame onto him feels like missing the point.

Clearly, the Stellini mini-era is a bust. He looks uncomfortable and out of his depth, unable to deliver either continuity with the Conte era or meaningful change from it. But today he picked a system many fans would have wanted him to. He said afterwards he would take responsibility if the system was to blame but he hinted that there were other issues at work here.

We all know that Stellini has inherited problems that he cannot fix. He took over a group of players whose confidence has been utterly destroyed by the Conte era. Here, he tried to get them to play a different way, to push them into a gear they were unused to, and the engine blew up in his face. These players have forgotten how to play on the front foot, forgotten how to defend high up the pitch, forgotten how to think for themselves. All that is not just on Stellini.

So you could take another step back and say that this disaster lies at the door of Conte. He instituted this rigid style of play, the psychological dependence on 3-4-3 and sitting deep. He made these players so obedient regarding his tactics that they lost the capacity to take responsibility themselves. He then spitefully destroyed their confidence in the end — in a way which will take months to recover. None of that is incorrect and yet even that analysis is only about half of the story.

Because Conte was a man brought in to deliver instant success and then not given all of the tools he is used to. He completed half of the job, with Tottenham finishing fourth last season, but then when performances and confidence started to collapse in this one, he did not look willing or able to fix it. Yes, he deserves blame, but by no means all of it.

Ultimately, to get a full sense of the blame and failures and responsibility you have to take a final step back and look where the real power lies. Everything at Tottenham ultimately comes back to Daniel Levy.

Not just the muddled appointment of Stellini, which has sunk any chance of them new-manager-bouncing their way into the top four. Not just the failed gamble on Conte, the second time in two years Levy got dazzled by the idea of appointing a glamorous big-name manager, forgetting everything that made Tottenham good in the first place. Not just the years of bungled recruitment, failing to sell the players Pochettino wanted to sell, failing to refresh the squad until it was too late, failing to give first Mourinho and then Conte the players they needed to win, eventually putting it in the hands of Fabio Paratici, whose forced resignation this week adds yet another layer of shambles and farce to an increasingly disastrous season.

No, what Levy really needs to answer for is the cavernous absence of anything even remotely resembling a football strategy. It is four years now since that thrilling spring when Spurs opened their new stadium and reached the Champions Leaguefinal. But since then they have absolutely nothing to show for it.

Every major decision has gone wrong. The only unifying thread has been Levy’s desire for them to behave like a big club — Mourinho, the Super League, Paratici, Conte — rather than thinking seriously about what it takes to succeed. This defeat felt like all of the bad decisions of the last four wasted years coming back to haunt Tottenham simultaneously. None of this was random or unfortunate; it was a price they have long deserved to pay.

And now the only man who has recently made this club successful, Pochettino, is in pole position for the Chelsea job.

Tottenham fans deserve to hear from Levy what the football strategy actually is. They deserve to hear from him directly, not via the YouTube channel of the Cambridge Union but speaking to them, their concerns and their priorities. Because when Spurs host Manchester United on Thursday, the crowd will make their feelings regarding the running of the club abundantly clear.
 
Alan Sugar, the owners of Man Utd, these things are irrelevant. Levy is taking the club backwards for about 5 years now, and I'm talking about on the pitch. His decision making, the latest being hiring a crook in Paratici and the mishandling of the replacement of Jose and Conte; the general recruitment from the last couple of years of Poch to present day. These things have led us to a squad that is very, very ordinary once you take Kane and an in form Son out of the equation.

Levy has been in his job longer than any of his peers around the league. I think he used to be pretty sharp. Yes he made mistakes but he did some decent things with DoF hires, we recruited players like Modric, Bale, Jan and Toby, Eriksen, Dele, Son etc. That has dried up completely, we have signed nobody of that calibre for years now. Because Levy has not kept up with the times, in the same way that managers lose it and become yesterday's man, so has he.

It's not about spending, ambition etc. as much as these aspects can be argued. It is about competence. Levy is no longer doing a good job at competently managing the football side, he is instead overseeing the bungling of managers hired/fired and can't even make a good hire for the DoF position, all the while sitting by whilst the squad rots with the like of Lloris, Dier, Sanchez here for YEARS longer than they should have been.

This incompetence is harming the club. It doesn't matter the good work he has done, it matters what the direction of travel is now, and what it has been since the slide began under Poch. The quality on the pitch just isn't there now. If a manager loses his mojo and starts making bad choices that hurt the team, he gets fired and replaced. Levy needs to step away and someone who is in tune with the needs of modern football needs to replace him.
 
Alan Sugar, the owners of Man Utd, these things are irrelevant. Levy is taking the club backwards for about 5 years now, and I'm talking about on the pitch. His decision making, the latest being hiring a crook in Paratici and the mishandling of the replacement of Jose and Conte; the general recruitment from the last couple of years of Poch to present day. These things have led us to a squad that is very, very ordinary once you take Kane and an in form Son out of the equation.

Levy has been in his job longer than any of his peers around the league. I think he used to be pretty sharp. Yes he made mistakes but he did some decent things with DoF hires, we recruited players like Modric, Bale, Jan and Toby, Eriksen, Dele, Son etc. That has dried up completely, we have signed nobody of that calibre for years now. Because Levy has not kept up with the times, in the same way that managers lose it and become yesterday's man, so has he.

It's not about spending, ambition etc. as much as these aspects can be argued. It is about competence. Levy is no longer doing a good job at competently managing the football side, he is instead overseeing the bungling of managers hired/fired and can't even make a good hire for the DoF position, all the while sitting by whilst the squad rots with the like of Lloris, Dier, Sanchez here for YEARS longer than they should have been.

This incompetence is harming the club. It doesn't matter the good work he has done, it matters what the direction of travel is now, and what it has been since the slide began under Poch. The quality on the pitch just isn't there now. If a manager loses his mojo and starts making bad choices that hurt the team, he gets fired and replaced. Levy needs to step away and someone who is in tune with the needs of modern football needs to replace him.
I agree with much of this.

ENIC and Levy's methods brought moderate success to the club in terms of average league finishing position and transfer business from the mid noughties to the sale of Bale.

The magnificent 7 money was largely spunked but Eriksen and the subsequent business done by Mitchell saved Levy's arse from this sooner.

Since Mitchell was put on gardening leave; Spurs off the pitch has been a shambles.

This is now reflected on the pitch.

Levy has hired and fired everyone and by his own measure he now deserves to finally do one himself.
 
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