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You could also flip that over and say the reason Poch has succeeded with Levy's players is because he has had to and, unlike almost any other manager, hasn't needed hundreds of millions of investment year on year. If Levy wanted a change, it will cost him money he can't comprehend. Poch has been perfect for what Levy wanted, minimum investment, maximum return.
There's also the fact a handful of players could feel alienated if poch was pushed....
So do you still think Levy could cope without Poch?
I thoroughly enjoyed the Redknapp reign, but let's not compare a rag tag bunch of players "running about a bit" and getting one year in the champions league to 4 consecutive seasons of it, 2 title challenges, 2 FA Cup semi finals, a league cup semi and a final and a champions league final.
What Redknapp did wasn't what Levy wanted. He relied on older players, often with diminishing values and didn't much care for the academy
They can, have and will cope without one another.
Levy has been here 4 times as long as Poch.
So your saying football as we have always known it is dead, the only way to succeed is get taken over by a insanely rich owner who is prepared to throw their cash at it? Bollocks.
We have achieved regular CL football without the insanely rich owner so your argument there is moot...
Levy telling me his 5 year building plans, seriously? Is that the only comeback you have got? Any fan can work out for themselves the “obvious” 5 year transition periods we have had, starting back in 2001 to 2019.
Now if we were in the CL from say 2005 to 2010 but haven’t qualified for it since then you might have an argument, but unfortunately for you our trajectory is going in the favour of Levy right now, every 5 years or so we have risen the bar of this club to a higher level, and as for the next 5 years who knows, but the signs are there he wants to raise it even more....
Now come back in 5 years and say we aren’t even in the CL then Levy has definitely run his course, which I mentioned several posts ago, I’m not paying the money he asks anymore without him making some serious effort in recruiting top class players to win us the top prizes our financial outlay demands.
Reality is that all managers start with the squad that is there when they arrive, and given most managers only stay for say 2 seasons, even when they leave they are probably only responsible for bringing in maybe 25% of the squad (say 6 - 8 players).
The point being made is that Poch after ,5 seasons is still heavily reliant on the players who were here before he arrived - despite the fact he has bought a fair few players not that many make his match day squad and a few have already been sold.
Fact is Poch has shown both at Spurs and Southampton ( eg Osvaldo at both Southampton and Espanol) not that great at buying players.
That's why Poch has done so well with Levy, and needs someone to help him.
Levy though can find another manager if need be
We have a very mouldable nucleus at the club now. We have everythinin place to continuously grow regardless of who manages the club.
Our squad is the third most valuable in the richest league in the world, with the below website valuing it collectively at nearly £900m:
Tottenham Hotspur - Detailed squad 23/24
Tottenham at a glance: The compact squad overview with all players and data in the season Overall statistics of current season.
If we continue being pro-active from top to bottom, continue to take the steps we've taken over the last 5-10 years and don't get flustered we will be fine. Identifying the top players is so much harder than going after those next tier players. The club holds all the cards even if there's a few disgruntled boys amongst our ranks at the moment.
We're in good nick and we have decent money to spend if we need to fall back on it via the prudent ways our chairman has adhered to, the very same ones he gets scrutinised for.
2x £50m+ deals negotiated for and completed this summer, another £60m+ deal we tried to get over the line and one a £25m+ wonderkid lumped on in the summer, I really struggle to see what more they think he can do without putting us in barmy club categories.
If Levy lumps up that kind of dough each year on transfers from here on in I'd be over the moon. With what Poch was saying he could easily go and do more in January so the money men this summer have definitely stuck to their side of the bargain whilst bleeding god knows how much money due to the stadium delays.
I want Levy to stay , of course I do but just like Poch his made mistakes that I hope they both start learning from.
A few things i'd love for the club to consider..
A sporting director. Transfers are clearly an issue, especially outgoing and to be honest you have to question the head scout as I can't remember the last time we picked up a gem. I'd like us to improve at identifying and securing realistic targets whilst also moving on players at a much quicker rate. Wanyama for example should have been gone months ago. It leaves us with a squad full of unsettled players which whether you love, hate or are indifferent to Poch, surely you must see how that creates a poor energy in the group.
That sporting director would also hopefully build the scouting network up so that we improve on our outgoing loans. Too often our players don't get games when they go out on loan, making these deals pretty pointless.
A new coach for the first team. The quote from the unnamed player about training going stale got me thinking. Ferguson would often refresh his assistant whether through choice or necessity. I bet this created a fresh feel in training as it brought in a new method and point of view. I know Poch and his team are really really close so it would have to be an addition but if you could persuade them it might be a new solution.
A few things i'd love for the club to consider..
A sporting director. Transfers are clearly an issue, especially outgoing and to be honest you have to question the head scout as I can't remember the last time we picked up a gem. I'd like us to improve at identifying and securing realistic targets whilst also moving on players at a much quicker rate. Wanyama for example should have been gone months ago. It leaves us with a squad full of unsettled players which whether you love, hate or are indifferent to Poch, surely you must see how that creates a poor energy in the group.
That sporting director would also hopefully build the scouting network up so that we improve on our outgoing loans. Too often our players don't get games when they go out on loan, making these deals pretty pointless.
A new coach for the first team. The quote from the unnamed player about training going stale got me thinking. Ferguson would often refresh his assistant whether through choice or necessity. I bet this created a fresh feel in training as it brought in a new method and point of view. I know Poch and his team are really really close so it would have to be an addition but if you could persuade them it might be a new solution.
No mate, you’re talking bollocks. I still watch premier league football because of [spurs] but I know very many that don’t give it even a glance;real football for them being second, third and fourth tier football. Don’t delude yourself that this league is the real deal anymore - real football died years ago with the advent of “ premier league” over Division one and the European Champions competition where runners up, third a four place all qualify to play!
Don’t talk to me about “the real way” or a five year plan as it is all bollocks!
And yet here you are, demanding we get an owner in who can super fund us and fast track us to glory in order to win the very thing you say is now dead.
We have a very mouldable nucleus at the club now. We have everythinin place to continuously grow regardless of who manages the club.
Our squad is the third most valuable in the richest league in the world, with the below website valuing it collectively at nearly £900m:
Tottenham Hotspur - Detailed squad 23/24
Tottenham at a glance: The compact squad overview with all players and data in the season Overall statistics of current season.www.transfermarkt.co.uk
If we continue being pro-active from top to bottom, continue to take the steps we've taken over the last 5-10 years and don't get flustered we will be fine. Identifying the top players is so much harder than going after those next tier players. The club holds all the cards even if there's a few disgruntled boys amongst our ranks at the moment.
We're in good nick and we have decent money to spend if we need to fall back on it via the prudent ways our chairman has adhered to, the very same ones he gets scrutinised for.
2x £50m+ deals negotiated for and completed this summer, another £60m+ deal we tried to get over the line and one a £25m+ wonderkid lumped on in the summer, I really struggle to see what more they think he can do without putting us in barmy club categories.
If Levy lumps up that kind of dough each year on transfers from here on in I'd be over the moon. With what Poch was saying he could easily go and do more in January so the money men this summer have definitely stuck to their side of the bargain whilst bleeding god knows how much money due to the stadium delays.
If Levy lumps up that kind of dough is the key part of that post, nothing to suggest he will.
Personally I believe Dybala was always a smokescreen.
You’re talking bollocks again as I’ve said nothing about the owners other than the head honcho being a meddling cunt. You likely imagined I commented on the owners rather as you imagined your five year block plan!
Domestic or undomestic...there are no trophies.
If we had won 4 League Cups in this time, but were still finishing 5th-8th, would you deem it a success?
Nobody is arguing he's not been succesful in driving the business forward. No one.
But I thought we were football fans.
And this is the crux of the matter isnt it. He drives profits ahead of trophies.
In the summer of 2018 we became the first club, Ever, in any of the top European leages to not spend a penny improving the squad.
While at the same time announcing world record breaking profits.
Tottenham announce world-record profits of £112.9m driven by player trading and Wembley crowds
Considering Poch was left to pick up the pieces of that shameful window, along with so many of our top players idly running down their contracts, I think its unfair that he should be the one taking all the bullets.
The fact you haven't shut up about Levy completely ruins your own point that Poch is taking all the bullets.
You've been firing on Levy and ENIC for over half a decade.
You moaned the year we came 2nd after predicting we'd come 8th-11th.
Imagine, for a second, predicting we'd come 8th-11th. Then when we finish 2nd, still moaning.
Then, moaning about a lack of ambition.
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Hallelujah, a sensible post amongst the dross and name calling. Thank you
The fact you haven't shut up about Levy completely ruins your own point that Poch is taking all the bullets.
You've been firing on Levy and ENIC for over half a decade.
You moaned the year we came 2nd after predicting we'd come 8th-11th.
Imagine, for a second, predicting we'd come 8th-11th. Then when we finish 2nd, still moaning.
Then, moaning about a lack of ambition.
Apparently the manager did nothing wrong in the CL final.
But it was the chairman’s fault we lost it.
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The 5 year block is there, it’s real, it happened
.....You went on a rant about that tit that owns Chelsea and wishing you had him did you not?
I don't think he would and we could up with a similar scenario to the don howe one with Ozzie but if it's good enough for ferguson I don't see why we can't talk Poch into it?