Ryan Mason

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ILSpur said:
Criticism is one thing, but there has been unreasonable levels of him being singled out as the weak link in the team while some others have gone far less criticized, yet have arguably performed worse. I stand by what I said, he has been the subject of scapegoating, and just because he can rightly be criticized for performances doesn't mean that this cannot happen. If the unfair weight of failures are leveled against one person, that is the definition of scapegoating.
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Ok, if that has happened then it's escaped me. IMV he has been off his game in the last few matches, by his own standards. But as you say, he hasn't been alone in this, or solely culpable.
 
Mick Cooper said:
Ok, if that has happened then it's escaped me. IMV he has been off his game in the last few matches, by his own standards. But as you say, he hasn't been alone in this, or solely culpable.
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it's happened a lot in the game threads after the match and people have been dropping him from their future lineups while leaving the likes of Chadli or Townsend in. I agree with you that he's been off his game, but I happen to think that at least part of that is a little inexperience as other parts of our game are breaking down and he gets stretched too thin.
 
ILSpur said:
it's happened a lot in the game threads after the match and people have been dropping him from their future lineups while leaving the likes of Chadli or Townsend in. I agree with you that he's been off his game, but I happen to think that at least part of that is a little inexperience as other parts of our game are breaking down and he gets stretched too thin.
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He's what 23? hes been playing football all his life, at what point do people stop making the inexperienced excuse? Sorry, he knows well enough where to be on a football field. At some point in time you will just have to accept that as good as he is, he's not good enough to be the player the team wants, at this moment.
 
and then Mason's retort

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/434735/Tottenham-Ryan-Mason-Mauricio-Pochettino-England

Mason, 23, caught Pochettino’s eye in pre-season matches following a previous season on loan at Swindon and recovery from ankle surgery.

The Spurs star said: "I was probably one of the better players and the gaffer said he believed in me and that I’ll play for him in the Premier League. That was within the first two or three weeks and to hear that from him was great.

"I wasn’t looking for another loan. I was in the last two years of my contract and getting to the age when, if it didn’t happen this season, I would probably have looked to leave. The gaffer’s record speaks for itself. He is honest and picks the team on how you’re training.

"And if you are in the team and doing well then you’re staying there, no matter what you’ve done in the past or who you are.

"He just wants his best team that can get results each week. It’s brilliant for young players. He focuses on the team and teamwork, it’s not about individuals. He’s massive on everyone pulling together and helping each other out on the pitch.

"Hopefully many more managers in the Premier League can start doing that for the sake of English football."
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Quite a different picture being painted but one that is so subtle that Ferdinand's ego will only notice "One of the better players" and take it out of the context in which it is said.
 
bensonrecon said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32177003



Les Ferdinand, let go in June along with Ramsey, Sherwood who was jettisoned in May are responsible for giving someone the opportunity to play that didn't debut until September and spent last season on loan with Swindon.

I look forward to 2030 when an 18 year old breaks through into the first team under Ledley King and one of those 3 still claims responsibility
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i think u missed the point. i think he means because they helped keep mason at the club which is strange considering he had a lot of injuries & hadnt made the first team despite his age. 99% of teams would have let mason go before the forest game. a lot of faith was shown in mason for him to still be at the club. dont let the fact he didnt play in the 1st team disguise that fact.
 
scott said:
i think u missed the point. i think he means because they helped keep mason at the club which is strange considering he had a lot of injuries & hadnt made the first team despite his age. 99% of teams would have let mason go before the forest game. a lot of faith was shown in mason for him to still be at the club. dont let the fact he didnt play in the 1st team disguise that fact.
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" nobody would be talking about Kane, Mason and Townsend. Because we gave them the opportunity to play,"
 
scott said:
i think u missed the point. i think he means because they helped keep mason at the club which is strange considering he had a lot of injuries & hadnt made the first team despite his age. 99% of teams would have let mason go before the forest game. a lot of faith was shown in mason for him to still be at the club. dont let the fact he didnt play in the 1st team disguise that fact.
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To add to what I said he only ever played 10 times for our reserve team so if anyone wants to take credit for giving him chances of first team football while Ferdinand, Sherwood and Ramsey were at the helm then step forward Mark Cooper of Swindon
 
bensonrecon said:
Which is fair enough but then in the same token if he's being loaned out and someone else is making the decision whether or not to pick him then Ferdinand can't claim responsibility. I don't have too much of an issue with any of them mentioning Kane, Townsend or Bentaleb, the waters are a little murkier and it's open to debate but I don't mind too much, but they have done nothing to assure Mason's first team breakthrough.

I find it hilarious that Ferdinand especially is taking any credit whatsoever, considering he was brought in by Redknapp as a striker coach initially. I don't see him claiming responsibility for Bent missing sitters, being carried by 1 striker each season despite having 3 or 4 international forwards or VdV outscoring our strikers and that is something he had direct control over
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you could the same about any coach or manager though. they don't claim responsibility for things that didn't go well. but fair enough if u want to point it out for Ferdinand. I bet u will be less inclined to do the same for poch. likes todays awful performance. the players didn't play for poch at all. that was so poor. probably sherwoods fault though!
 
scott said:
you could the same about any coach or manager though. they don't claim responsibility for things that didn't go well. but fair enough if u want to point it out for Ferdinand. I bet u will be less inclined to do the same for poch. likes todays awful performance. the players didn't play for poch at all. that was so poor. probably sherwoods fault though!
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Why would you think that? Pochettino has made a number of mistakes both in selections and substitutes. Why would I have any issue with saying that?
 
Looked anonymous today unfortunately. Time and again we needed someone to pick the ball up from defence, turn out and get us attacking. Didn't look up for it.
 
bensonrecon said:
Why would you think that? Pochettino has made a number of mistakes both in selections and substitutes. Why would I have any issue with saying that?
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fair enough. glad u would say poch has made mistakes too.
this forum is over run with posters who think poch can do no wrong that's all.
but u aren't 1 of them obviously. my mistake!
 
At worst I think he is a very capable back-up that could be very useful in Europa and other cups as well as an impact sub. Considering he cost a grand total of zero pounds he is still a massive find and addition for us.

He could also potentially take a sizable step up next season with another preseason and having a full season under his belt. While he is already 23 his progression has been far from typical and his improvement certainly hasn't been linear. Still feel like he could be much better when the game slows down for him considering the combination grit and skill he has. Even if he doesn't improve much from his current level he will still be a useful player going forward.
 
Another 3 points lost down to Mason again today. Why he starts tracking players and then stops who knows, but he does it so often.

I hope he is good friends with Livermore and Huddlestone, that's where he'll end up. The sooner the better.
 
I won't be too surprised if he ends up only having Livermore potential. We all hope all of our academy players turn our to be stars, that's probably why we hyped him up too much.

Btw, Livermore was also once capped by England when playing for us.
 
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