Summer Transfer thread - 2024

[Jaynola]

Fair, we didn't buy players who were at the very top of their game but in those days, pretty much up till the last couple of years under Poch, if not until after Covid, we legitimately didn't have the money to do so and compete with clubs trying to sign them.

Our economic model relied on us identifying players that could become top players.

The ones you mentioned plus Bale, Walker, Alli, Lloris, Son, perhaps Lamela had he not been plagued with injuries.

Yes there was a lot of dross in between too but we have absolutely been graced with many great footballers whom we have all loved to watch.... some of whom have gone on to play for the most elite teams in the world.

I would also add that when you look at the likes of Lloris, Jan, Eriksen we adjusted our wage structure to keep them at the club for years longer than we would have been able to previously.

It seems to me like we are doing similar now with the likes of Udogie, Sarr, Porro, VDV, Dragusin, Johnson (still got to prove himself) and I absolutely agree that we have to add some proven, top class players. I think it a completely valid expectation now and is absolutely necessary for us to be able to compete. We do have the money to do it but we also do have to find value at times the way that every team, bar City do.

I kinda disagree with your first para, without being a finance wizard.

But the rest is spot on.

 

[Jaynola]

Ah yes Diaby. Everyone’s favorite melt last window. What a player.

Guess who had more PL goal involvements last season. Richy or Diaby.?

Hindsight is always 20/20, pal.

 

[skywalker68]

Only way that happens is if they sell a stake in the club and put the money in

Tight cunts aren’t going to disrupt their cash cow all of a sudden after a 1/4 century of low risk bare minimum

Low risk no return.

 

[LeParisien]

On an individual basis sure but if every manager is backed and none of them win, then what?

City have made it much more difficult to win things because they are backed by a nation state fir sure.


Liverpool still managed it though. If they spent Coutinho money on real quality like VVD, Allison, and Mane but we spread out the Bale money over 7 bang average players, which club back their manager?

Every manager can be backed and still not win because WINNING INVOLVES A LOT MORE THAN BEING BACKED.

It’s not that hard to understand. Back the manager until the cows come home and you won’t magically start winning against Man City or other clubs with much more means.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Every manager can be backed and still not win because WINNING INVOLVES A LOT MORE THAN BEING BACKED.

It’s not that hard to understand. Back the manager until the cows come home and you won’t magically start winning against Man City or other clubs with much more means.

So why did Liverpool win things?

 

[dudu]

Lol@all the Richarlison talk.

We spent £50m on him with £10m in no doubt mythical add-ons like us winning something or him getting the Ballon d'Or.

We certainly didn't buy him twice at £60m a pop either, we bought him from a team up to their tits in FFP.

Johnson was £45m-ish (£10m due August 31, 2024, £10m due August 31, 2025, £12.5m August 31, 2026), Maddison was £40m (plus add-ons again and with Harry Winks going the other way for £10m). VdV was an initial fee of £34.5m (€40m) plus a potential £8.5m (€10m) in add-ons.

Yeah well if you want to be a pedant about it

 

[Richard Arlison]

There's been plenty mistrust in this ownership for years. You make it sound as if it was all rosey and Levy was a God before WHL v2.0...our beautiful stadium which by the way cost us a heck of a lot more than shoulda done, but I guess that's another one that the big man gets a pass for from his cultists.

More that people could understand when we had a smaller stadium that we didn't have resources to compete.

Then came Poch, packed Wembley stadiums and CL revenue but he will still left short.

 

[LeParisien]

So why did Liverpool win things?

Let’s first acknowledge that Liverpool are a bigger, richer, more successful club than us in every way and have been for a very long time. Agree?

Next, Liverpool have won one league title by having a generational manager and every transfer for a couple of years being above expectations. Robertson, Salah, Mané became top players… Allison and van Dijk were excellent gambles (most expensive keeper and defender ever).

So a huge club got some luck - exceptional transfers and an elite manager in all at the same time - and still only managed one league title in 7 years.

 

[Macch]

So why did Liverpool win things?

There’s no doubt in my mind that Poch held us back. Good man manager but tactically weak. Klopp is/was miles ahead of Poch.

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Here's the thing. If Levy does back his managers, which is the drum you keep banging, why do they all fail to win anything and end up getting the sack?

Winning is hard

 

[The Mercurial No.10]

15%ish higher wages to revenue percentage for Liverpool couldn't make a difference though of course.

 

[FOK]

View: https://x.com/thespursexpress/status/1793596049082523732?s=46&t=LZlJuZ1uaIN4QMovCQVkvQ

 

[Richard Arlison]

Let’s first acknowledge that Liverpool are a bigger, richer, more successful club than us in every way and have been for a very long time. Agree?

Next, Liverpool have won one league title by having a generational manager and every transfer for a couple of years being above expectations. Robertson, Salah, Mané became top players… Allison and van Dijk were excellent gambles (most expensive keeper and defender ever).

So a huge club got some luck - exceptional transfers and an elite manager in all at the same time - and still only managed one league title in 7 years.

So those successful gambles on Allison and Van Dijk played a part. Then we are agreed.

They spent the money they got from Coutinho on 2 elite level players for record level investments. We spent the Bale money on 7 players. There is a difference in model and mentality there.

You say they won 1 league title but you are being disingenuous because they also won a Champions League and plenty of other domestic cups.

Mane was set to come to Spurs, at the training ground and Levy refused to pay his wage demands. Rpbertson and Salah were transfers very much within our wheelhouse. If you swap Son for Salah we come out equal, Mane matched by Kane coming through, Robertson for Walker... pretty much every step of the way we matched up with them aside from VVD and Allison.

There’s no doubt in my mind that Poch held us back. Good man manager but tactically weak. Klopp is/was miles ahead of Poch.

So Klopp to Spurs would have seen us win things and Liverpool stay behind us?

 

[John Thomas]

Winning is hard

And less important than expanding the property and entertainment portfolio off the back of our football club.

 

[John Thomas]

There’s no doubt in my mind that Poch held us back. Good man manager but tactically weak. Klopp is/was miles ahead of Poch.

"Poch held us back"

What a load of utter bullshit nonsense. Every single non Spurs or neutral football fan / commentator would laugh in your face at such dribbling garbage

 

[John Thomas]

15%ish higher wages to revenue percentage for Liverpool couldn't make a difference though of course.

Winning on the pitch, or at least trying to win, is clearly a much higher priority for their owners than it is for ours

 

[Macch]

So those successful gambles on Allison and Van Dijk played a part. Then we are agreed.

They spent the money they got from Coutinho on 2 elite level players for record level investments. We spent the Bale money on 7 players. There is a difference in model and mentality there.

You say they won 1 league title but you are being disingenuous because they also won a Champions League and plenty of other domestic cups.

Mane was set to come to Spurs, at the training ground and Levy refused to pay his wage demands. Rpbertson and Salah were transfers very much within our wheelhouse. If you swap Son for Salah we come out equal, Mane matched by Kane coming through, Robertson for Walker... pretty much every step of the way we matched up with them aside from VVD and Allison.


So Klopp to Spurs would have seen us win things and Liverpool stay behind us?

Klopp would’ve won things at Spurs. No doubt. He’s a proven winner. Poch wasted prime years of some of the best players we had in recent history. Poch still hasn’t proven he can win

 

[LeParisien]

So those successful gambles on Allison and Van Dijk played a part. Then we are agreed.

They spent the money they got from Coutinho on 2 elite level players for record level investments. We spent the Bale money on 7 players. There is a difference in model and mentality there.

You say they won 1 league title but you are being disingenuous because they also won a Champions League and plenty of other domestic cups.

Mane was set to come to Spurs, at the training ground and Levy refused to pay his wage demands. Rpbertson and Salah were transfers very much within our wheelhouse. If you swap Son for Salah we come out equal, Mane matched by Kane coming through, Robertson for Walker... pretty much every step of the way we matched up with them aside from VVD and Allison.


So Klopp to Spurs would have seen us win things and Liverpool stay behind us?

Of course but you’re speaking with hindsight. Nobody thought Salah would become the player he has… he was at fiorentina having failed in his first try in the PL. Every transfer has risk and luck involved and Liverpool were both skilful AND lucky.

I don’t know why you’re using Liverpool as an example like we are supposed to be on their level? The only reason we’re anywhere near this conversation is because of our phenomenal sustained growth on and off the field over the past 20 years. When they won the CL in 2005 they were in a different galaxy to us.

 

[Richard Arlison]

Klopp would’ve won things at Spurs. No doubt. He’s a proven winner. Poch still hasn’t proven to be one.

Conte wasn't a proven winner?

Even Jose?

 

[FOK]

Here's the thing. If Levy does back his managers, which is the drum you keep banging, why do they all fail to win anything and end up getting the sack?

Maybe because other teams exist...........

they're allowed to win too.