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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Pzabbythethird said:
The Brentford manager appeals to me for a number of reason (assuming we can't get Inzaghi).

1) He's consistently improven both Brentford as a team and individual players. Much ala Poch.
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The truth about Frank is that he actually hasn't improved Brentford at all in the last two years, despite retaining a lot of the key parts of the team from their big breakout and spending a ton of money on new additions that Frank hasn't integrated or exploited super well.

Perfectly good coach, but a real superstar might well have kicked on to even higher heights with that group.
 
Harrier said:
What are you on about?

It’s like saying ‘my cars very reliable’, when it was for the first 5 years of ownership, but for the last 5 years it breaks down weekly!

The 5th place finish was influenced by the opening 10 games. Second season he’s finished 17th, so what do you think is a fairer indicator of his ability and where he’d likely finish next season?! Do you think you ignore last season?!

Blimey! It’s not a difficult concept to get your noggin around!
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No it doesn't, what kind of brainless analogy is that 😆 you've just gone and used another useless extreme because if that was the comparison then we'd have had to be first after 10 matches and then get relegated, behave.

The 5th place finished was influenced by the points tally at the end of the season, I know it's difficult to grasp but that's kinda how teams are seperated.

Let's not try to move the goalposts either, we know the 2nd season was crap, we are purely talking about 23/24 and what happened exclusively in that season, not this one.

I know your stance is Ange out and you're desperately looking for crumbs to confirm your bias and TBH I'm with you but trying to paint that first season as some sort of fluke is just dumb and conflating last season with this season is equally as dumb.

We spent the majority of last season in 5th position, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out where we ended up and where we deserved to end up, just rest.
 
FightingIllini said:
The truth about Frank is that he actually hasn't improved Brentford at all in the last two years, despite retaining a lot of the key parts of the team from their big breakout and spending a ton of money on new additions that Frank hasn't integrated or exploited super well.

Perfectly good coach, but a real superstar might well have kicked on to even higher heights with that group.
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I think he's done very well to keep them in the PL at all

Brentford are really a league 1 yo yo club
 
harry7 said:
Effective football? Effective at what? Finishing mid table?

You seem to be judging them on what they might do. Not what they have actually done.

Ange has finished 5th in EPL. Has won Europe, and has won at every club and level in the game.
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effective at finishing 17th
throwing away 4th rather than finishing 5th
fair play he won the Europa playing park the bus against some pretty ordinary/shite opposition - Ange deserves plaudits for that.

Why do you think the league form will be any better than this season, or the injury crisis we had this season will be any better? I don't think keeping him will end in anything other than Ange being sacked in October but, I can see why Levy would keep him.
As you know with our esteemed chairman, Ange will be given Children and the odd journeyman to bolster the squad when we need decent experienced players to get us up the table.
 
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Shadydan said:
I mean you didn't need to go to lengths to write such a load of waffle, but I thank you for the boring lecture about PPG and fancy words like outliers...it still doesn't explain how we managed to finish 5th so please do try again.

You can say the same about every other team and manager when they hit form, oh what suddenly it doesn't count because of an easier fixture schedule and catching teams on off days and injuries and suspensions etc, we can be here all day, can't we?

It's very very very simple you deserve to finish where you are after 38 matches in a league season hence why we have a points system come the end of the season, we don't need the mental gymnastics.

Absolute nonsense argument.
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You are quite dense. No one is trying to discount and say it doesn’t count. But the real question isn’t about “where do we deserve to be” which is what you get so hung up on. I agree, you deserve to be where you are. That’s the way this game works. The question is, who should be the manager moving forward? And when you’re projecting and predicting, context matters. And when you have 10 games that show one thing. And 68 games that show another. Including a clear trend and a 17th finish this year. You’d be a moron to not see that those first 10 games look like a bit of an outlier. A new manager bounce is called that for a reason. Almost every team gets it.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
Spot on. The cup win rightly increased the volume of the cultists. I was happy for them to enjoy it. I enjoyed it an haven't wavered from the belife this is the poorest coach we've ever had no matter how hard that is for a few really odd posters to accept. So I think the noise made makes his support seem deeper than it is. If Paratici is now driving the football he will know Postecoglou has not met the most basic competencies.
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Yep. To some extent I can understand why someone like Levy, who is famously clueless about football, may make the mistake of giving Ange another season.

But is is unfamothable that a football person like Paratici, and even Vinai, would make the same mistake.

If they come in, and give Ange a third season, Ange will without a doubt fuck it up. We will finish midtable at best, relegated at worst, and we will crash out of the CL in embarassing fashion. I can't imagine they would want their debut season, tarred in such a way.

It will be interesting to see, because if we sack Ange, my faith in the club will be higher, I will have more optimism for our future.

If Ange is kept, I will be extremely disillusioned, even more so because it means our new football structure has signed off on it and it will mean even the new guys are clueless.

This is such an important cross roads for our club.

Sack Ange, hire the right manager, and build on last week and the CL qualification, and we can really go places.

Keep Ange, and next season will be a disaster and we will lose our chance, and fall even further behindn than we already are.

On SC it's even worse, so many absolute morons ignoring all the evidence and wanting Ange to get another season based on nothing but they like him, bending over backwards to make every excuse possible on why the season was so shit, apart from admitting it was because Ange is useless. it's insane.
 
BlackLips said:
You are quite dense. No one is trying to discount and say it doesn’t count. But the real question isn’t about “where do we deserve to be” which is what you get so hung up on. I agree, you deserve to be where you are. That’s the way this game works. The question is, who should be the manager moving forward? And when you’re projecting and predicting, context matters. And when you have 10 games that show one thing. And 68 games that show another. Including a clear trend and a 17th finish this year. You’d be a moron to not see that those first 10 games look like a bit of an outlier. A new manager bounce is called that for a reason. Almost every team gets it.
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Hark at you lol...the irony of calling me dense when you're struggling to understand what the debate is about...how about we take a deep breath and try to understand what we're debating before we wade in with irrelevant nonsense like you've done...again.

This is where the debate started and this is where Harrier tried to discount his first 10 matches:

Harrier said:
He finished 5th due to the opening run of 10 games.

Once the other managers sussed out how to beat us the form fell off a cliff.
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As for the rest of your post which is again irrelevant to the discussion, "Ange finished 5th in the EPL" is a cast iron fact, you can conflate the 2 seasons if you so wish and you are 100% correct in saying that overall his time has been nowhere near good enough and he isn't good enough to manage this club...I agree but how about we cut down on the one sided arguments....if you want to use context to judge his time in his first season try not to ignore the context as to why we started losing after the Chelsea match which happened to be after the first 10 matches last season.

Bullshit.
 
harry7 said:
Out of curiosity, why do you think Xavi, Irala, Frank would be decent?

Iraola and Frank have NEVER managed a team in Europe and have 1 cup between them (Greek). Neither have a win % above 40% and have never coached high performing teams.
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I thought Iraola and frank had been managing a team in Europe this whole season...I'm obviously confused....silly me....
 
Blanchflower said:
I think he's done very well to keep them in the PL at all

Brentford are really a league 1 yo yo club
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Brentford are a tiny club in commercial terms, but they are extremely well run and Frank has had a very good squad at his disposal his entire time there, and they have reinvested their PL riches as it has gone on.

In retrospect he had an unbelievable squad for the Championship level and still only secured a play-off spot two years running.

He's been there a long time and just kept on doing a solid job.

By all accounts a top character, has built and maintains a good culture, nothing bad to say about him, but there's not really that bit of magic about what he's done there either, the kind of glimpse of superstar managerial talent you're looking for.

It would not surprise me at all if he found the CL level very much beyond his abilities at Spurs.
 
Shadydan said:
Hark at you lol...the irony of calling me dense when you're struggling to understand what the debate is about...how about we take a deep breath and try to understand what we're debating before we wade in with irrelevant nonsense like you've done...again.

This is where the debate started and this is where Harrier tried to discount his first 10 matches:



As for the rest of your post which is again irrelevant to the discussion, "Ange finished 5th in the EPL" is a cast iron fact, you can conflate the 2 seasons if you so wish and you are 100% correct in saying that overall his time has been nowhere near good enough and he isn't good enough to manage this club...I agree but how about we cut down on the one sided arguments....if you want to use context to judge his time in his first season try not to ignore the context as to why we started losing after the Chelsea match which happened to be after the first 10 matches last season.

Bullshit.
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No one’s arguing it’s a cast iron fact, but to keep using it as a means to endorse going forward with the manager without applying context to that 5th place finish is foolish!

What’s hard to understand in that concept?!
 
Shadydan said:
No it doesn't, what kind of brainless analogy is that 😆 you've just gone and used another useless extreme because if that was the comparison then we'd have had to be first after 10 matches and then get relegated, behave.
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What’s wrong with that analogy?!

I’m trying to point out that him finishing 5th was heavily influenced by the initial circumstances (the new car being reliable), which failed to continue (car older and now breaking down regularly) and cannot be relied upon as what to expect moving forward!
 
WillWilliams said:
Don’t think he’s even 6ft. Big Ange my arse!!
He’d be called little ange if he stood next to me.

Mind you he’d probably be called midget Ange if he stood next to AberdeenYid AberdeenYid .
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5ft 10
But, unlike 95% of men who claim to be "about 5ft 10" he actually IS 5ft 10
I'm 5ft 9" and seem to tower over many who claim to be 5ft 10"
Lies Liar GIF
 
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