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Richard Arlison said:
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His legacy is winning everything they could win and revitalising Liverpool from a long period of mediocrity on a reasonable budget. Liverpool hadn’t won the Premier League at all till he arrived. If Ange won us a PL he’d instantly be a great.

They had a couple of insane points tallies where City pipped them on a final day too. But it’s not like he’s gone trophyless.

In a final this season too and well in a title race so could well add a couple more. The Liverpool vs City rivalry has defined this PL era imo so he’s absolutely a great.
 
Richard Arlison said:
He did. But that’s all he gets credit for in a GoAT debate
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Well, that's why I gave the boxing example with Duran. He gets credit for being the best boxer of the 4 even though he never beat the other 3 in their weight class. But him even putting himself in the conversation was incredible enough.

Same goes with Klopp, thats how GOAT debates are judged.
 
Raf said:
Well, that's why I gave the boxing example with Duran. He gets credit for being the best boxer of the 4 even though he never beat the other 3 in their weight class. But him even putting himself in the conversation was incredible enough.

Same goes with Klopp, thats how GOAT debates are judged.
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Maybe in boxing but not football. Not basketball either. Not Rugby.
 
Deuterz said:
His legacy is winning everything they could win and revitalising Liverpool from a long period of mediocrity on a reasonable budget. Liverpool hadn’t won the Premier League at all till he arrived. If Ange won us a PL he’d instantly be a great.

They had a couple of insane points tallies where City pipped them on a final day too. But it’s not like he’s gone trophyless.

In a final this season too and well in a title race so could well add a couple more. The Liverpool vs City rivalry has defined this PL era imo so he’s absolutely a great.
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He's undoubtedly a great.

Is he a GOAT though?
 
Richard Arlison said:
won more prem titles and cups.
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Yeh but didn’t need beat the robot machine of Abu Dahbi and Pep. Peak Liverpool under Klopp was far better than Jose’s team in terms of play, Jose and Wenger would get destroyed by Pep and Klopp’s best teams. Football has gone up a level in the last 20 years.
 
Tomo said:
, Jose and Wenger would get destroyed by Pep and Klopp’s best teams. Football has gone up a level in the last 20 years.
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I dunno. Jose’s best Chelsea team was a rock, 15 goals conceded in a season I think? Really athletic team too. I don’t think they get bullied by anybody, especially led by peak Jose who was a prick but charismatic and not a bit dried up. That team was Atletico on steroids.
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
He isn't unanimously considered the best of the four...want that on record.
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I thought it was common knowledge that Duran is one of the greatest boxers of all time. The only one I've seen up for debate is that maybe Leonard was better than him but not Hagler or Hearns, even though he lost to both of them which was my main point about punching above his weight.
 
MemphisWill said:
I've never heard anyone claim Duran was the best of the 4.
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Well he's the greatest lightweight boxer of all time and then moved up to beat Leonard, one of the greatest welterweights of all time and went the distance with Hagler, one of the greatest middleweights of all time.

For me, that makes him the best of the 4 and one of the greatest boxers to ever live.
 
MemphisWill said:
He was 1-3 in fights against Leonard, Hagler, and Hearns. Duran was definitely great, but it's definitely contentious to say he's the greatest of the 4.

Anyway, back to Klopp I think he's a great manager obviously. But it'd be silly for anyone to consider him the greatest.
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Exactly. We never said he wasn't great, but I have never heard any boxing historian claim he was above the other three by any metric.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Toodles

Let's not kid ourselves, Liverpool are even making a documentary. This is the last dance, Van Dijk, Salah, and Klopp are goooooone in the summer. TAA probably extends his contract and the new manager has to figure out how to use a player that is unbelievably specialist to one type of football.
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Trent really isn’t THAT specialist. Ange would do great things with him as well. Lots of modern, progressive coaches are utilising full-backs who tuck in to midfield and are the sides primary creative fulcrum.

He will be fine. He’s positionally suspect and a 1v1 specialist makes him look silly but he’s a special player technically and worth the downsides.
 
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