You'd have to exclude the big leagues as then you'd still get the likes of west ham, Everton, palace making it.
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You'd have to exclude the big leagues as then you'd still get the likes of west ham, Everton, palace making it.
They thought the big leagues wouldn't bother but it turned out some clubs did
We couldn't play our last game because of a COVID outbreak, UEFA didn't allow us to reschedule the game, so they awarded our opponents a 3-0 win and forfeited the match.
Won a European cup & got to the EL semi final the season before that with West Ham.
Europe is Moyes’ oyster. Or other leagues just suck.
And this is why the club has become the laughing stock that it is. This is where the owner has taken it. A great accountant he may be, but has no soul for what people want.
It must be understood how fucking stupid things like plans for cheese rooms sound to other clubs fans. Stupid indulgences like that at a Working mans sport, all whilst winning not one thing. It’s like the Russian tsars over indulgence at the expense of the peasants that were given nothing back in return.
By the time this club gets its act back together we’re at the back of the queue behind an even longer list of clubs. Not only Man City, it will be all the rest coming back to the party including that lot over in west London with the guy that nearly made this club look like a contender.
And now to rub everyone’s nose in it, the hammers have gone and lifted a relevant European trophy that not only gives them some joy, but catapults them into another competition that is akin to finishing in a position that this club failed to manage.
This.
We lost away to Mura. Yeah, I had to look them up to remember who.
Unconscionable.
I was responding directly to points you made mate, but fair play, you've demonstrated that there's no point in that so I won't bother with any more...
We do take FA Cup and League Cup seriously though. Since our last trophy (League Cup '08) we've reached the final a further 3 times, semis twice and been in FA Cup Semi-Final four times. and a Quarter Final and a final of the two major European comps.
The game is now totally transformed in the last 30yrs, in that to win a MAJOR competition you have to be one of the best 4 teams in the league. Since the PL was formed over 90% (I've forgotten the specific figure and can't be arsed to track it down I actually think it is something like 96%???) of all available major trophies to be won have been done so by the same big 5 teams.
This means any team with the design of winning a trophy needs to up their game and get into this group, something we did but couldn't sustain. Failing to do this will deliver nothing.
Not you, but people seem to think we can just pick and choose what to win when we want, if only we just do this that or the other. No. All the evidence is there, if we want to win a pot we have to build a team that competes at the very top of the league and hope that we get to play Stoke, Watford, Sunderland, Hull, Villa rather than always getting the best x2 teams in the country at the time.
Big 5, I thought it was big 6 ?
Of course, it never was, was it, unless of course you don’t ignore the obvious qualification being success, therefore Leicester absolutely qualify with a championship and an FA cup. They might be a bit sore at the moment, but they’ve tasted very real success on more than one occasion very recently, so I don’t get all this big 6 crap that includes a club which has won 0. It’s all a load of media bum fluff that some have lapped and are now feeling deflated by watching a close neighbour actually win at a final without blowing up at the grid.
The point was every club has its moments which count.
Actually Spurs won a cup final with almost the last kick ( header ) at Wembley too.
The over praise of West Ham and using their win as the basis to again attack our club and ourselves is nonsense. What they won is not a prize we should be envious of ( imho )
West Ham did well enough, but it’s a utterly ridiculous to overpraise this achievement.
To reference again the Papa Johns trophy. That final was at Wembley, in front of 79,000 supporters. West Ham played in front of 19,000, the level is obvious with just that comparison..
We all want trophies, but then Tottenham have more historically than most clubs in England.
In the 43 years between West Ham’s wins Spurs took 6 major trophies and have been in at least another 6 major finals. Is that enough win or are they recent enough ? No, probably not, but there it is.
Whats 100% fact the big 6 stuff ?
When you have multiple managers, multiple squads then it’s something much deeper. If this was 5-10 years I could give that, it’s not, it’s over 20 years.
History tells us that unless you are a massive club with bottomless resources, balancing Europe and league is a tough gig. I don’t think we are capable of it yet and West Ham certainly aren’t.
I would hope our longer term aim isn’t participation in the CL, but winning the thing. I doubt that us winning the conference gets us much further on in that journey. Although, the actual trophy win would be fantastic.
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The top teams win all the trophies, the evidence supports this.
It's a rhetorical analogy based on the respective heights of two clubs recent histories(*)... And longer-term histories for that matter.
i.e. 'The peaks of Poch' vs WHs win the other night combined with being a relegation botherers.
Secondarily: Spur's trophy cabinet v WH's
I don't sense anyone is claiming that because we won in Amsterdam that we should not be striving for trophies as we move fwd.
(*Granted, peak Poch is an increasingly distant memory.)
7 now..... + current clubs d'jour; Brighton & Villa.
Regardless; top 4 and trophies ought to be a mere formality for Spurs though.
And WH were in a relegation battle literally the entire season, not mentally safe until 4 games from the end of the season but mathematically 2 games from the end of the season.
We have pushed the reset button again. The aim is to go back to a completely different style of football than we have been playing for the past 4yrs. No my expectation isn't that we are going to win a trophy next season because we are changing the way we want to play football. it's a 180 degree change, to facilitate this requires time, time you are not afforded when playing in a European Comp, let alone a tin-pot one designed specifically for lower leagues.
I'm expecting teams like Newcastle, Villa, Woolwich & Brighton (Brighton less so) to struggle next season whilst they juggle European football with an ever-increasingly competitive PL, and all of these teams have already implemented their new identity of playing.
We are not winning a trophy if we don't have a good enough team to get you to a final. The teams that get win the finals are all from the top teams in the league the same teams that have dominated the trophy count for the past 30yrs. You then need a bit of luck to be drawn against Stoke, a relegated Hull, Villa, Watford or Sunderland.
OMG the chavs are treating the rymans league of europe cup like its worth 10 World Cups and 30 Champions League cups in 1 lol ... they will having daily open top ASBO parades for a year lol
1. Ngghhhhhh.... Rather not tbh.
2. Probably because they see themselves as operating in a different stratosphere to WH & the ECL; so in some respects their congrats are actually a patronising pat on the proverbial head.
3. They aren't being bitched about by their own fanbase in relation to said victory.
4. They aren't WH's cup final.
5. How are Millwall & Chavs (2 other clubs they claim as rivals) acting towards it all?