Well are already in a league cup semi. Obviously CL is out. I think we'll get top 4.and EL semi final minimum. I definitely would have taken that at start of season.Remember that top 4 was basically a race between ourselves woolwich and man ure to throw it away.
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But dele was on fire doing the simple things perfectly. Them days are gone by about 3 year now
Agreed, but that would absolutely have to be whilst getting Spurs to compete at the top of the league, I've chosen that phrase because 4th, unless it's separated by a close points differential to 1st place, isn't an improvement. eg A Kangeroo Cup win and 8th place league finish isn't an improvement
to be fair he was up against the greatest footballing side the world has ever seen, so surely hes meant to come up with a plan to combat it.
For sure, I don't think we really disagree that the expectation with Jose is a clear improvement in results. What that means, given Poch pushed us to quite a high level, is that we need to win things.
If Jose doesn't do that, he should go.
Hmmm fair enough I’m not disagreeing he was part of a fabulous footballing team and genuinely he was one of favourite players in our pomp
but I can’t deny I’ve thrown numerous fucks his way when a dele flick once more gave up the ball!
And that wouldn't be an improvement on Poch's last full season.
Yeah I didn’t say I disagreed with what he did .... he knew what he had to do
but someone asked what it was like and it was as ugly and contentious as it got
The crux for me is that if he was playing attractive football then I'd be more than happy for him to stay on as manager if we were challenging the top of the League and getting beyond 1/4 finals in Cups.
If he doesn't win any cups, have us finish below 3rd and play this passive crap then what is the point of him? This basically is his rules of engagement, a joyless approach, results only.
Yeah 100%.
Not arguing with that. We just managed to fuck up last season under Jose. I think he’s building his own squad still due to that. Which is a positive.
Again, I don't disagree and you're right. If he's not winning things then he shouldn't remain here. That's the bargain we struck with Jose.
We haven't won in so long and he's here to help us win things. The hope/goal is that he can kick start our club into winning things in the short term and then we can bring in another project/philosophical manager after that.
well if the results dont happen he gets binned, like any manager. got to give him this season and then next season to really have a go though. surely counter attacking football is stomach-able for a couple years if the results are good. sick of spurs being seen as a soft touch, thats what is truly boring.
The thing is the focus now is on those that don't come off. Watch back a game during the height of Poch's time with us, Dele's flicks were still not all landing (I've no idea the % of success with him but suspect t was still low back then), he missed loads of goalscoring opportunities, he personified the football I'm advocating from our forwards. Brave, high risk-taking football, underpinned with a rock-solid spine behind him.
The Dele of old is never coming back the sooner we accept that and move on the better.
I guess I just don’t like giving the ball away cheaply
it boils down to good decision making
getting the balance right
(I think wanting a solid spine is a given)
I think that's true.
He was so instinctive, so fresh and so in your fa e. A real game winner, average team or good.
Now he seems unsure and a much lesser version.
And up until the last 3 PL games, his absence had began to be met with less and less comment.
Never sa
Well we can only judge at end of season whats an improvement. If we win the league cup does that constitute an improvent on pochs 5 years in charge?
Probably not. But with a top 4 finish along with good el run and fa cup run it does.
I like the sentiment but I don't think there's an opportunity to be that linear for any successor unless they played in exactly the same way. Should we look to change to for argument sake Klopp or Guardiola or Nagglesmann or Hasenhuttl it would be like starting from ground zero all over again, with maybe the profile of players not suited.
But our centre halves are now older and lack pace. Walker and trippier gone. Rose out of picture. We dont have the pace and power of dembele and wanyama. Sitting back now is a product of that. Its well known that jose wants a pacey centre half. I dont we can afford players trying things that worked 3-4 year ago with different players around them
win ball ,lose ball, nutmeg ,regain ball, lose ball ,flick, concede goal
There has to be more to his game nowadays
There has to be more to his game nowadays