Jewish chronicle article on Spurs and the Y-Word

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Martin Samuel going on about this very issue in the Daily Mail.

I don't think these cunts will be happy until 60k Spurs fans are arrested in our own stadium for chanting 'Yid Army'.

It's up to us to sort out the racist fans of their clubs it seems.

:harrysmile:
 
He even brings up Rachel bloody Riley in his piece!

I don't understand his argument nor why he gives a shit other than the fact that West Ham supporters show themselves up to be racists whenever they play us.

It just pisses me off. It's obvious why we chant Yid and Yiddo. It's not with malice.

He's just a fat Spammer cunt with a big mouth writing in a shite newspaper.

Sucks to be him.
 
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Martin Samuel going on about this very issue in the Daily Mail.
Dunno what to make of it...a West Ham fan in a barely disguised anti-semitic rant might be one way...

"Nothing the Oxford English Dictionary does ends up in the public domain by accident. No reporter is sat in the library like a naughty schoolboy looking up the rude words.

When the OED announces its updates there is a press release. This statement directs news sources to the good stuff, because the OED knows how to make a headline, too.

There is little mileage in releasing details of a couscoussier — ‘a steamer used to cook couscous, consisting of two interlocking pots, the upper one holding the couscous and having a lid and perforated bottom’ or a danfo — ‘a yellow minibus that carries passengers for a fare as part of an informal transport system in Lagos, the largest city in Nigeria.’

The Oxford English Dictionary expanded the definition of the word 'Yid' to include Spurs fans

Nobody is even writing about the appearance of a w***stain, as controversial as that may be. They’re writing about Yids.

It’s a big year for Jews in the OED. Jewdar, Jewfro, Jew Town, even Jew York make it in. But the OED really hit the jackpot when it redefined Yid.

There are a lot of old Jewish words in the 2020 edition but the introduction of kvetching — the Jewish word for complaint — or shticky, meaning gimmicky, would be a footnote in a national newspaper at best.

Taking Yid from the Jews, however, that’s a story. And sure enough, the OED have made all the bulletins with their classification.

yiddo, n.: A Jewish person. Also in extended use: a supporter of or player for Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. See Yid n. 1, Yid n. 2.

See what they did there? They legitimised it — for everybody. There are no parameters set on its usage, no instruction manual or rules.

A Yid is a Tottenham fan. So now, when anyone announces, or sings in their thousands, that they hate the f****** Yids, it is no longer anti-Semitic.

Indeed, if you’re a follower of Woolwich or Chelsea or West Ham, Tottenham’s rivals in London, who doesn’t hate the f****** Yids? Everyone hates the Yids.

They feature in various versions of the song that starts with hating Nottingham Forest and takes in, depending on your location, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City, Leicester, West Ham United, Leeds, Woolwich — and Tottenham, or Tottenham Hotspur, if you’re trying to make the first or fourth line scan.

And that was all fine, up to a point. There really is too much hate about at football grounds these days, but few seriously connected such a powerful emotion with that particular terrace ditty.


Spurs fans refer to themselves as 'Yids' or 'Yiddos' and often chant 'Yid Army' at games
For a start, who outside the East Midlands really hates Forest? Yet there they are, first to be taken down in just about every version of the song. So it was a faux hate, a hate born of rhyme and the necessary scansion — and very different to the hatred known as anti-Semitism, which kills in the millions.

Yet those lines are blurred now and we have them all to thank: the cowards, the enablers, those who could have sent a very clear message about the road being travelled in one part of north London and chose not to.

The warning was there a year ago when Chelsea sat down with police to discuss the anti-Semitic element within their own fan group.

Chelsea were informed, to their immense frustration, that law enforcers did not consider the Tottenham chant ‘Yid Army’ to be offensive, but instead a form of self- identification — little different to Woolwich fans calling themselves ‘Gooners’.

In that context, it was explained, any Chelsea supporter using the word ‘Yid’ towards Tottenham fans would be considered to be talking about them as followers of Tottenham, not Jews.

Only if a fan was to admit that, yes, he was motivated by racial hatred not rivalry, would action be taken. At this point — and the development was publicised, certainly in this column — Tottenham’s board should have taken stock.

It was obvious the direction this was now heading, the dreadful normalisation that was about to take place.

Yet Tottenham now have 60,000 chanting about Yids at home games and that’s a significant number to challenge, when in need of their money and support. Far easier to turn a blind eye. There is a phrase for this type of action, of course. A proper bottle job.

It was, coincidentally, how Rachel Riley described a Tottenham defeat at West Ham in 2017, causing outrage among many of the same Tottenham fans who see no problem when shouting about Yids.

Riley, who is Jewish, did not renew her contract with Sky after making this mild criticism and described the online abuse she received as hideous.

So there was a moment when Tottenham could have stepped in, when the sirens were sounding after the Chelsea meeting, and they ducked it.

Now they are upset at the way the OED has made their club the gateway to anti-Semitic abuse.

Tottenham issued a statement this week condemning the definition. Too late. It’s done. The club facilitated it, the board facilitated it, all those who lacked the courage to make a stand facilitated it.


Rachel Riley received 'hideous' abuse from Spurs fans when she called the team 'bottle jobs'
Cue many of the same fans who found a disparaging word from Riley so offensive advancing the specious defence of reclamation.

Tottenham fans call themselves Yids, apparently, in response to the anti-Semitism directed at their historically Jewish fan base.

And this would have credibility if the ‘Yid Army’ chants were only heard during matches against Chelsea or West Ham, rival clubs whose fans have often been guilty of anti-Semitism during games against Tottenham.

Yet ‘Yid Army’ and various related songs are heard at all Tottenham games, no matter the opposition.

They will be heard next week, against RB Leipzig, just as they were when Borussia Dortmund visited, despite German football taking a hugely proactive stance against anti-Semitism and Germany having some of the toughest laws on hate speech in Europe.

So who is ‘Yid’ being reclaimed from in an environment where anti-Semitism is absent, but a majority of gentiles are not? The only people singing about Yids then are Tottenham fans.

David Baddiel, the comedian who has long campaigned on this subject, said that he was told by one Tottenham supporter: ‘F*** off, it’s our word now.’

And according to the OED, and even the police, it is.

‘Jews are not even allowed to own their own hate,’ said Baddiel, almost forlornly.

So they win. The Yid Army wins, Daniel Levy wins, the editor of the Jewish Chronicle wins — and is ‘proud to be a Yiddo’, apparently — but also the ones who hate the f****** Yids.

They win, too, for they can say just that now, free from arrest and with some of our finest scholars and high-profile members of the Jewish community on their side.

Funny sort of victory, though, isn’t it? One-nil to the schmucks, you might say."
 
Dunno what to make of it...a West Ham fan in a barely disguised anti-semitic rant might be one way...

"Nothing the Oxford English Dictionary does ends up in the public domain by accident. No reporter is sat in the library like a naughty schoolboy looking up the rude words.

When the OED announces its updates there is a press release. This statement directs news sources to the good stuff, because the OED knows how to make a headline, too.

There is little mileage in releasing details of a couscoussier — ‘a steamer used to cook couscous, consisting of two interlocking pots, the upper one holding the couscous and having a lid and perforated bottom’ or a danfo — ‘a yellow minibus that carries passengers for a fare as part of an informal transport system in Lagos, the largest city in Nigeria.’

The Oxford English Dictionary expanded the definition of the word 'Yid' to include Spurs fans

Nobody is even writing about the appearance of a w***stain, as controversial as that may be. They’re writing about Yids.

It’s a big year for Jews in the OED. Jewdar, Jewfro, Jew Town, even Jew York make it in. But the OED really hit the jackpot when it redefined Yid.

There are a lot of old Jewish words in the 2020 edition but the introduction of kvetching — the Jewish word for complaint — or shticky, meaning gimmicky, would be a footnote in a national newspaper at best.

Taking Yid from the Jews, however, that’s a story. And sure enough, the OED have made all the bulletins with their classification.

yiddo, n.: A Jewish person. Also in extended use: a supporter of or player for Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. See Yid n. 1, Yid n. 2.

See what they did there? They legitimised it — for everybody. There are no parameters set on its usage, no instruction manual or rules.

A Yid is a Tottenham fan. So now, when anyone announces, or sings in their thousands, that they hate the f****** Yids, it is no longer anti-Semitic.

Indeed, if you’re a follower of Woolwich or Chelsea or West Ham, Tottenham’s rivals in London, who doesn’t hate the f****** Yids? Everyone hates the Yids.

They feature in various versions of the song that starts with hating Nottingham Forest and takes in, depending on your location, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City, Leicester, West Ham United, Leeds, Woolwich — and Tottenham, or Tottenham Hotspur, if you’re trying to make the first or fourth line scan.

And that was all fine, up to a point. There really is too much hate about at football grounds these days, but few seriously connected such a powerful emotion with that particular terrace ditty.


Spurs fans refer to themselves as 'Yids' or 'Yiddos' and often chant 'Yid Army' at games
For a start, who outside the East Midlands really hates Forest? Yet there they are, first to be taken down in just about every version of the song. So it was a faux hate, a hate born of rhyme and the necessary scansion — and very different to the hatred known as anti-Semitism, which kills in the millions.

Yet those lines are blurred now and we have them all to thank: the cowards, the enablers, those who could have sent a very clear message about the road being travelled in one part of north London and chose not to.

The warning was there a year ago when Chelsea sat down with police to discuss the anti-Semitic element within their own fan group.

Chelsea were informed, to their immense frustration, that law enforcers did not consider the Tottenham chant ‘Yid Army’ to be offensive, but instead a form of self- identification — little different to Woolwich fans calling themselves ‘Gooners’.

In that context, it was explained, any Chelsea supporter using the word ‘Yid’ towards Tottenham fans would be considered to be talking about them as followers of Tottenham, not Jews.

Only if a fan was to admit that, yes, he was motivated by racial hatred not rivalry, would action be taken. At this point — and the development was publicised, certainly in this column — Tottenham’s board should have taken stock.

It was obvious the direction this was now heading, the dreadful normalisation that was about to take place.

Yet Tottenham now have 60,000 chanting about Yids at home games and that’s a significant number to challenge, when in need of their money and support. Far easier to turn a blind eye. There is a phrase for this type of action, of course. A proper bottle job.

It was, coincidentally, how Rachel Riley described a Tottenham defeat at West Ham in 2017, causing outrage among many of the same Tottenham fans who see no problem when shouting about Yids.

Riley, who is Jewish, did not renew her contract with Sky after making this mild criticism and described the online abuse she received as hideous.

So there was a moment when Tottenham could have stepped in, when the sirens were sounding after the Chelsea meeting, and they ducked it.

Now they are upset at the way the OED has made their club the gateway to anti-Semitic abuse.

Tottenham issued a statement this week condemning the definition. Too late. It’s done. The club facilitated it, the board facilitated it, all those who lacked the courage to make a stand facilitated it.


Rachel Riley received 'hideous' abuse from Spurs fans when she called the team 'bottle jobs'
Cue many of the same fans who found a disparaging word from Riley so offensive advancing the specious defence of reclamation.

Tottenham fans call themselves Yids, apparently, in response to the anti-Semitism directed at their historically Jewish fan base.

And this would have credibility if the ‘Yid Army’ chants were only heard during matches against Chelsea or West Ham, rival clubs whose fans have often been guilty of anti-Semitism during games against Tottenham.

Yet ‘Yid Army’ and various related songs are heard at all Tottenham games, no matter the opposition.

They will be heard next week, against RB Leipzig, just as they were when Borussia Dortmund visited, despite German football taking a hugely proactive stance against anti-Semitism and Germany having some of the toughest laws on hate speech in Europe.

So who is ‘Yid’ being reclaimed from in an environment where anti-Semitism is absent, but a majority of gentiles are not? The only people singing about Yids then are Tottenham fans.

David Baddiel, the comedian who has long campaigned on this subject, said that he was told by one Tottenham supporter: ‘F*** off, it’s our word now.’

And according to the OED, and even the police, it is.

‘Jews are not even allowed to own their own hate,’ said Baddiel, almost forlornly.

So they win. The Yid Army wins, Daniel Levy wins, the editor of the Jewish Chronicle wins — and is ‘proud to be a Yiddo’, apparently — but also the ones who hate the f****** Yids.

They win, too, for they can say just that now, free from arrest and with some of our finest scholars and high-profile members of the Jewish community on their side.

Funny sort of victory, though, isn’t it? One-nil to the schmucks, you might say."

It's such a load of sanctimonious bollocks. Millions are dying due to anti-Semitism? Really? This isn't 1945 anymore!

He's such a cunt. Riley made a stupid comment, some people took it too far BUT we've seen with her stance regarding Labour what a snowflake she is. Yes she's pretty and smarty but that doesn't mean she should be above criticism.

Samuel is neither pretty nor smart, just a fat bitter Spammer cunt.
 
It's such a load of sanctimonious bollocks. Millions are dying due to anti-Semitism? Really? This isn't 1945 anymore!

He's such a cunt. Riley made a stupid comment, some people took it too far BUT we've seen with her stance regarding Labour what a snowflake she is. Yes she's pretty and smarty but that doesn't mean she should be above criticism.

Samuel is neither pretty nor smart, just a fat bitter Spammer cunt.

This article again is focussing on completely the wrong songs. Chelsea fans can sing about hating Yids (in relation to Spurs Supporters) as much as they like (in my opinion)

But making the gas chamber sounds and signing songs about Ausschwitz are the actual issue in my opinion.

On another note, these idiots are probably the first to start singing 10 German Bombers when they are on England away days.
 
Whether or not Spurs fans mean it to be racist - it is. It should be banned. The day these same people would sing "nig*er army" as a sign of endearment to Ndombele or Sanchez is the day I will accept it.

I've said this many times and will say it many more. This whole thing is about one thing - the people who say "YIDS" like saying it. That's all it boils down to. They try and justify their racism and stupidy with "but we're reclaiming it" bullshit, but at the end of the day, they are just cunts who would never chant "nig*er" but feel empowered to chant "yid".

They can all fuck off as far as I'm concerned. I'm well aware certain jews like to chant it too. They are also cunts. In fact, they are even worse.

FUCK OFF YOU RACIST CUNTS WITH A SUPERIORTY COMPLEX.

I'm not a racist, I'm actually singing racists chants to HELP the jewish community.

Are you? Well thanks so much. It's really helping seeing that anti semitic attacks are at their highest rates ever!!

Automatic prison sentences are the only answer.
 
Whether or not Spurs fans mean it to be racist - it is. It should be banned. The day these same people would sing "nig*er army" as a sign of endearment to Ndombele or Sanchez is the day I will accept it.

I've said this many times and will say it many more. This whole thing is about one thing - the people who say "YIDS" like saying it. That's all it boils down to. They try and justify their racism and stupidy with "but we're reclaiming it" bullshit, but at the end of the day, they are just cunts who would never chant "nig*er" but feel empowered to chant "yid".

They can all fuck off as far as I'm concerned. I'm well aware certain jews like to chant it too. They are also cunts. In fact, they are even worse.

FUCK OFF YOU RACIST CUNTS WITH A SUPERIORTY COMPLEX.

I'm not a racist, I'm actually singing racists chants to HELP the jewish community.

Are you? Well thanks so much. It's really helping seeing that anti semitic attacks are at their highest rates ever!!

Automatic prison sentences are the only answer.

Foul vote cast.
 
It'll be ironic if, as a jew, I am banned from the board by an anti semitic hate mob you don't want their racist "yid" chants taken away from them. This is how it works.

"I'll fucking chant "Yid" you jewish slag!! I'm doing it to help you, you ungrateful kike wanker. YID YID YID"

Thanks, I feel so safe. I love having to explain the context of 30,000 racists chanting racist words to my 10 year old child
 
It'll be ironic if, as a jew, I am banned from the board by an anti semitic hate mob you don't want their racist "yid" chants taken away from them. This is how it works.

"I'll fucking chant "Yid" you jewish slag!! I'm doing it to help you, you ungrateful kike wanker. YID YID YID"

Thanks, I feel so safe. I love having to explain the context of 30,000 racists chanting racist words to my 10 year old chant.

Like you're Jewish or have a bloody son.

Fuck. Off. You. Gooner. Maggot.
 
Wow, the racist is getting defensive.

"Please don't take my racist chanting away Mr Levy. I know you're yid wanker yourself, a tight arsed jew one might say, but let me chant my ignorant hate bile every game please because i just love saying "YID" Look, "YID ARMY YID ARMY YIDDO YIDDDO" It's great.

"Er, no. Say nig*er instead"

"oh, i can't. that would be offensive and socially unacceptable. YIDS YIDS YIDS"

"there is no helping you."
 
Wow, the racist is getting defensive.

"Please don't take my racist chanting away Mr Levy. I know you're yid wanker yourself, a tight arsed jew one might say, but let me chant my ignorant hate bile every game please because i just love saying "YID" Look, "YID ARMY YID ARMY YIDDO YIDDDO" It's great.

"Er, no. Say nig*er instead"

"oh, i can't. that would be offensive and socially unacceptable. YIDS YIDS YIDS"

"there is no helping you."


:mourfacepalm:
 
You're a racist. Just accept it.

Gentiles who say it are racist.

Jews who say it are self hating moronic racists.

Either way it is unacceptable. Just shut the fuck up and chant "Spurs".

The whole "jewish" thing with Spurs is 90% coz of this shit. The scum have just as many jewish fans.
 
Whether or not Spurs fans mean it to be racist - it is. It should be banned. The day these same people would sing "nig*er army" as a sign of endearment to Ndombele or Sanchez is the day I will accept it.

I've said this many times and will say it many more. This whole thing is about one thing - the people who say "YIDS" like saying it. That's all it boils down to. They try and justify their racism and stupidy with "but we're reclaiming it" bullshit, but at the end of the day, they are just cunts who would never chant "nig*er" but feel empowered to chant "yid".

They can all fuck off as far as I'm concerned. I'm well aware certain jews like to chant it too. They are also cunts. In fact, they are even worse.

FUCK OFF YOU RACIST CUNTS WITH A SUPERIORTY COMPLEX.

I'm not a racist, I'm actually singing racists chants to HELP the jewish community.

Are you? Well thanks so much. It's really helping seeing that anti semitic attacks are at their highest rates ever!!

Automatic prison sentences are the only answer.
I’m Jewish and have never been offended by the word, the hundreds of Jews I know (spurs fans or not) have also never been offended by it. Comparing N*gger to Yid is way off the mark.

I can also absolutely guarantee that David Baddiel is not offended by it, if it was associated with Chelsea fans instead of spurs he would absolutely love it and say it all the time.

He’s embarrassed that he follows a team that are genuinely anti Semitic and is trying to blame that fact on other fans/teams so he has an excuse to go and watch Chelsea play. This whole thing is just him in denial
 
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