Pay them what they want rightFinancially wrecked a club to get it though eh.
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But you've completely ignored the point.
Jose is struggling to get any sort of tune out of the same bunch of players you believe were the most talented team in Europe. You criticise Poch on an hourly basis for not winning the Champions league with them just 7 months ago
Tough times like these make some people quite edgy, it's understandable. On the other hand, if we were to win the treble, there would still be some cunt offs on TFC.
"It's the wrong treble"
“Jose will fail because of his past history”
Jose’s past history:
Honours
Manager
Porto
- Primeira Liga: 2002–03, 2003–04
- Taça de Portugal: 2002–03
- Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira: 2003
- UEFA Champions League: 2003–04
- UEFA Cup: 2002–03
Chelsea
Inter Milan[238]
- Premier League: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2014–15[239]
- FA Cup: 2006–07[238]
- Football League Cup: 2004–05, 2006–07,[238] 2014–15
- FA Community Shield: 2005[238]
Real Madrid[238]
- Serie A: 2008–09, 2009–10
- Coppa Italia: 2009–10
- Supercoppa Italiana: 2008
- UEFA Champions League: 2009–10
Manchester United
Individual
- EFL Cup: 2016–17
- FA Community Shield: 2016
- UEFA Europa League: 2016–17
- Onze d'Or Coach of the Year: 2005[240]
- FIFA World Coach of the Year: 2010[7]
- IFFHS World's Best Club Coach: 2004,[241]2005,[241] 2010,[241] 2012[241]
- Premier League Manager of the Season: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2014–15[239]
- Premier League Manager of the Month: November 2004, January 2005, March 2007[239]
- Serie A Manager of the Year: 2008–09,[242]2009–10[243]
- Albo Panchina d'Oro: 2009–10[244]
- Miguel Muñoz Trophy: 2010–11,[245] 2011–12[246]
- UEFA Manager of the Year: 2002–03,[247]2003–04[247]
- UEFA Team of the Year: 2003,[247] 2004,[247]2005,[247] 2010[247]
- World Soccer Magazine World Manager of the Year: 2004,[248] 2005,[248] 2010[248]
- World Soccer 3rd Greatest Manager of All Time: 2013
- ESPN 9th Greatest Manager of All time: 2013[249]
- France Football 13th Greatest Manager of All time: 2019[250]
- European Coach of the Year – Alf Ramsey Award: 2010
- BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award: 2005[251]
- La Gazzetta dello Sport Man of the Year: 2010[252]
- International Sports Press Association Best Manager in the World: 2010[253]
- Prémio Prestígio Fernando Soromenho: 2012[254]
- Football Extravaganza's League of Legends (2011)[255]
- Globe Soccer Awards Best Coach of the Year: 2012[256]
- Globe Soccer Awards Best Media Attraction in Football: 2012[257]
- Portuguese Coach of the Century: 2015[13]
- PFA Portuguese Manager of the Year: 2017
- LMA Performances of the Week:[A] 2 December 2017 (Woolwich 1–3 Man.Utd),[258]7 April 2018 (Man.City 2–3 Man.Utd)[259]
flawless logic.
why didn’t ancelotti bring Napoli guaranteed success? He should do the same at Everton as well?
Capello at England?
LVG at Utd?
Emery won multiple Europa leagues but failed at Woolwich.
Dalglish 2nd time round at Liverpool?
Jose stans are the new “back in my day...”
Shame what happened to Pompey after that Cup win. Was secretly hoping in 2014 that the same would happen to Woolwich...Financially wrecked a club to get it though eh.
Poch didn’t win an away game for 11 months with these players, we were 14th and lost to 4th division oppo.
Most of that happened after the final which he lost, so that’s his most recent history.
Just like Watford etc is Jose’s
If back in your day is 2016 when he won a double then yes.
Took a year and half off from the game after that, how’s he supposed to win stuff from Sky’s studio.
Really funny that Poch was lauded for “polishing turds” in 2016, but that’s ancient history all of a sudden.
It's pretty clear that this team was nowhere near the best in Europe and Poch worked a miracle to get them to the CL final
Or
Jose's made a complete pigs arse of the job so far.
I think it's the former.
Which do you think,
sammyspurs
Or
Jose's made a complete pigs arse of the job so far.
I think it's the former.
Which do you think,
sammyspurs
Tough times like these make some people quite edgy, it's understandable. On the other hand, if we were to win the treble, there would still be some cunt offs on TFC.
EL, FA and CC treble
“Not like losing the CL final though is it”
The ole Houllier Hat-Trick
#oldtakesexposed
It's pretty clear that this team was nowhere near the best in Europe and Poch worked a miracle to get them to the CL final
Or
Jose's made a complete pigs arse of the job so far.
I think it's the former.
Which do you think,
Jose has found it tough injecting life back into the dead carcass of a team that Poch destroyed mentally and physically.
The plus side is that Tanganga, Lamela, Lo Celso, Toby, Sanchez, Moura and Winks, Kane, Sissoko, Aurier and Son all look committed.
Lots of injuries, and Poch sanctioning a record signing that is making Soldado look like amazing business isn’t helping.
12 weeks in and 7 places higher, signed a player in January, looking at others, and I’m looking forward to see what will be.
Poch showed that it was the back up that excelled in the CL last season. He had no choice, it was not tactical to use Llorente and Moura.
He proved he was clueless by dropping them for an injured Kane in the final.
If that wasn’t enough, he then sold Llorente and started the season with one striker and didn’t bother to target one.
Now we are where we are.
Burned up, deflated and key players following his lead and wanting out.
So. We're now blaming Poch for mentally and physically turning the team into a dead carcass.
How dare he somehow drag these players to the champions league final and exhaust the team to give us some of our most memorable nights ever.
How dare he continue to do all this on the back of a year and a half of zero investment and not one single new player to ease the burden.
I really can't believe you keep a straight face when you type this sort of shit.
Europa in 2017 with a toxic club
Jose has “regressed” over the last ten years
But he’s won fuck all since then???
Out of job for most of it
Some of the shit posted on here makes me laugh
And Guido I disagree with you saying that he should be judged by the end of this season
End of next maybe
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So. We're now blaming Poch for mentally and physically turning the team into a dead carcass.
How dare he somehow drag these players to the champions league final and exhaust the team to give us some of our most memorable nights ever.
How dare he continue to do all this on the back of a year and a half of zero investment and not one single new player to ease the burden.
I really can't believe you keep a straight face when you type this sort of shit.
Champions League final was memorable all right
Pochs story didn’t end with the lost CL final John.So. We're now blaming Poch for mentally and physically turning the team into a dead carcass.
How dare he somehow drag these players to the champions league final and exhaust the team to give us some of our most memorable nights ever.
How dare he continue to do all this on the back of a year and a half of zero investment and not one single new player to ease the burden.
I really can't believe you keep a straight face when you type this sort of shit.
I love the notion that Jose’s time has come and gone but people herald Pochettino for supposedly being an elite coach when at 48 when he hasn’t a single trophy to his name where as Mourhino, Conte, Simone, Klopp Ancellotti, Pep had won mutiple trophies by that point.
I actually believe that managers do decline much likes played do. Their peak years appear to between the ages of 40-50 and it’s a gradual decline thereafter. That said Mourhino decline is from being arguably the greatest manager in the game which means even an inferior Jose to that of the old should be well ahead of most.
If some are happy to subscribe to the decline of a managers abilities then surely this should apply to Pochettinos ‘potential’. He is the Jesse Lingard of the management world - always considered younger than he actually is and if he hasn’t become an elite coach at this point of his career is highly unlikely that he ever will.
But you don’t hear that from his acolytes - they’ll happily focus on Jose’s failings now after 2 months and ignore 6 years of Pochettinos. It’s laughable when you hear such people wax lyrical about Bielsa who is 64 and fallen short at every hurdle. Claim that Nuno was a better option - a manager who operates the same managerial philosophy as Mourhino.
I actually believe that managers do decline much likes played do. Their peak years appear to between the ages of 40-50 and it’s a gradual decline thereafter. That said Mourhino decline is from being arguably the greatest manager in the game which means even an inferior Jose to that of the old should be well ahead of most.
If some are happy to subscribe to the decline of a managers abilities then surely this should apply to Pochettinos ‘potential’. He is the Jesse Lingard of the management world - always considered younger than he actually is and if he hasn’t become an elite coach at this point of his career is highly unlikely that he ever will.
But you don’t hear that from his acolytes - they’ll happily focus on Jose’s failings now after 2 months and ignore 6 years of Pochettinos. It’s laughable when you hear such people wax lyrical about Bielsa who is 64 and fallen short at every hurdle. Claim that Nuno was a better option - a manager who operates the same managerial philosophy as Mourhino.
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