"They were a unit since 2009". Before Jose (2008-09 and 2009-10), even with Ronaldo, Kaka and Benzema in the team, Madrid went out of the CL for the sixth season in a row - in the last sixteen! They didn´t present a proper challenge against Barcelona in La Liga since Capello and they were defeated by Alcorón in the Copa del Rey - a competition they couldn't win for over 15 years.Yes, I think Madrid would have been successful no matter what. They were a unit. From 2009-2017 they scored over 100 goals a year in La Liga. Over that period, they averaged 91pts a year. That was under Jose, Carlo, Rafa, and Zidane. The latter three won the CL with Real, Jose didn't.
Jose of course works on the offensive side of the ball. I am not saying he just sits in the back half of the pitch every session, but players have been quoted as saying he isn't the most focused on the side of the pitch. We can see in our teams movement that we are lacking an identity. Watched Leeds on Saturday, they have an attacking identity. They scored 3 against one of the best defensive sides in the league. They don't have our quality, but they played as a unit and tore through that team.
And most would say the best team at Barca was that 08-09 year when they won the treble. Either way, we don't see eye to eye on this subject.
I do appreciate the back and forth though. Everyone has an opinion and we all feel like we are right, but that's the beauty of it, no one is right.
The success that followed Jose´s tenure at Madrid is in large part due to Jose´s work itself, as Florentino Perez would tell you. There is clearly a before and after Jose. By the way, with all the European glory, Madrid won just 2 league titles in 7 seasons after he left.
You do honestly believe that any manager would achieved Jose´s numbers in 2011-12 - a record of points and goals in La Liga's History; again, their first league title since Capello. As you said, we are all entitled to an opinion. Sometimes the facts are on our side, sometimes they don't.
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