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Management Levy / €NIC. In or Out

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Levy / ENIC. In or Out

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I don't doubt there would be buyers for Liverpool. We'd definitely find someone to buy us, its just if you remove the sugar daddies + then the more projecty owners (like FSG) the pool is smaller. Owners like FSG bought a big name for cheap and turned it around because they had the sporting nous to do so, there's a lot of really 'clever' owners who know their shit when it comes to running a sporting operation who we'd sadly not be able to attract because they'd be priced out.

I don't think we'll see a Glazer again tbh. Haven't new rules come in since they took over? They essentially leveraged a buy-out and since have been milking the club. They're pretty unique in that respect, the only 'elite' club with owners like that. Easily the worst owners in the league and we'd have to be pretty unlucky to get anyone like them.

I don't think we need a mega billionaire or even someone ultra invested in the club. It would be nice to get the latter but it's not always going to happen. FSG are pretty distant & don't care about football but they implemented an actually effective moneyball structure at Liverpool, built the club around signing players who suited Klopp's philosophy & hired the right people (Edwards & co) to handle scouting and recruitment. They're not perfect but they've both managed, like ENIC, to massively improve Liverpool's revenue but are much more football focused.

We've seen some signs of this with the Paratici appointment & then matching that with Conte, but it still feels like the underlying structure isn't there. And the manager doesn't really feel fully wedded to said project anyway, so it all still feels short-term based & unstable. All this direction change and waste of what resources we do have whilst still milking the fans & lying to them about the style we want to go for is infuriating.
I feel you. Like I said, I also want change or we'll go backwards.

With respect to your comments about the Glazers, I don't know about the rules, but they wouldn't prevent any new owner from taking large dividends out on a regular basis to recoup their outlay. They could do that for a few years, then sell off the club and make back whatever their original outlay was. They don't have to leverage a debt in order to milk the profits.

The change absolutely must happen, but I'd prefer it to be ENIC that changes rather than another owner, mostly because I feel it's a higher probability that we get an owner, or group, that is looking to milk the club rather than, say, an Abramovic who, whilst he is a disgusting human being who ripped off his own people, was prepared to sink vast amounts of his own money into a vanity project. Same with the Middle Eastern owners, profit is not their objective.

What we will likely end up with is what I'm worried about, owners who'd make ENIC look like UNICEF.

We are Spurs after all, we'd fall into a barrel of tits and come out sucking our thumbs!
 
I often hear that Spurs fans are fickle. That's not true. We are apathetic but not fickle.
Maybe a mixture of apathy and acceptance. I’m in section 2.

I’ve said before I don’t care who owns us, so a bit of apathy there, but it’s more to do with accepting our place in the grand scheme.

As a kid; I saw Aberdeen crowned as the best team in Europe. We were booting the arse of the Bigot Brothers in Glasgow on a regular basis, then beating Bayern and Real in Europe. Glorious times. They’ve been shite for thirty years now, but you don’t hear the fans complaint that they used to be good, so should still be competitive with Celtic and New Rangers. Both sides have much more money and clout than Aberdeen do, so the expectation is rightly “do what you can to finish third”.

Should be the same for us. Par is 5th/6th and the odd cup run. Which we have been delivering for years. Anything else should be a bonus. But we pay the highest ticket prices. That seems to be a massive sticking point. Maybe rightfully so. Would people be better inclined towards the board if we were 5th most expensive?
 
Ha..have you not seen some of the personal attacks aimed at me from the staunch ENIC supporters. Not just in this thread, but since I joined the fucking forum a decade ago
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Its kind of sad that Tottenham are constantly ridiculed while they've been one of the few clubs to build their success via the old fashioned way by managing the bottom line. Yes they've come up small via those big occasions with a trophy on the line which obviously has magnified things . I mean they ultimately win the 2015 Prem season via the top6 and this is the one year Leicester City has that fantastic run...Unreal. Either way, just the general direction of English and European football simply is about oil and teams spending outrageous money to ultimately purchase success. And what you have is a few Haves and many Have Nots where the competitive balance is not pretty on the eyes. In the end, I'd rather have ENIC then some Middle East sovereign buying success. Proper English club for me.
 
Maybe a mixture of apathy and acceptance. I’m in section 2.

I’ve said before I don’t care who owns us, so a bit of apathy there, but it’s more to do with accepting our place in the grand scheme.

As a kid; I saw Aberdeen crowned as the best team in Europe. We were booting the arse of the Bigot Brothers in Glasgow on a regular basis, then beating Bayern and Real in Europe. Glorious times. They’ve been shite for thirty years now, but you don’t hear the fans complaint that they used to be good, so should still be competitive with Celtic and New Rangers. Both sides have much more money and clout than Aberdeen do, so the expectation is rightly “do what you can to finish third”.

Should be the same for us. Par is 5th/6th and the odd cup run. Which we have been delivering for years. Anything else should be a bonus. But we pay the highest ticket prices. That seems to be a massive sticking point. Maybe rightfully so. Would people be better inclined towards the board if we were 5th most expensive?
Stands to reason. I mean you don't pay £50 for a sit down meal at Mcdonalds.
 
They just don't have a vision for the club outside the bricks & mortar. How are they going to bring about success? Is their ambition to be a truly top team (outside the money league)? No real vision for a way of playing but a high turnover of managers.

It appear to me it is top 4 and nothing else for these parasites. Once top 4 gets threatened they sack. They got unbelievably lucky under Poch and the first risk of a top 4, they sacked him.

This may be news to them but sometimes to achieve something truly special, a team has to finish outside the top 4, take stock (i.e. invest in the right players) and build for the future. Look at Chelsea every 2/3 years, Klopp, Ferguson, Wenger, even Pep and now Arteta.

It is kinda shocking that Levy doesn't seem to understand this. You have to bring someone in, buy into their vision and back them over many years.
 
That isn't really the full truth but there.

But would we have even been involved in a super League prior to ENIC's takeover? Or would we still have been sitting in mid/lower end of the table winning 1 League cup every 12 years or so? Not too dissimilar to what we do now.
Whether you are/were in favour of the European Super League or not, there's a good chance it will happen at some point. I'd like the club to be in a position to decide whether it wanted to participate or not. If we're not careful, we might not be included in the conversation a couple of seasons from now.

Like you, I see the ENIC in/out discussion as a bit too black and white. Right now, on balance, I'd welcome a change of ownership, but I think it would be dishonest to deny them credit for the good things they've done whilst only slating them for the things they've got wrong. We have a solid and sustainable foundation from a financial perspective; they're just not the right owners to do what's required to translate that financial 'success' to the trophy cabinet.
 
To be fair I think the Levy out chants are the fans leveraging there anger hoping it spurs him on to release the cash. Then actually directed at removing him. If he gets a suitable offer he will sell. If not he won't. And we are merely a Greek chorus commenting on events but not actually moving them.
Not his to sell though is it?

Joe Lewis will be sat on his yacht not giving a single fuck if Levy's getting it in the neck.
 
Whether you are/were in favour of the European Super League or not, there's a good chance it will happen at some point. I'd like the club to be in a position to decide whether it wanted to participate or not. If we're not careful, we might not be included in the conversation a couple of seasons from now.

Like you, I see the ENIC in/out discussion as a bit too black and white. Right now, on balance, I'd welcome a change of ownership, but I think it would be dishonest to deny them credit for the good things they've done whilst only slating them for the things they've got wrong. We have a solid and sustainable foundation from a financial perspective; they're just not the right owners to do what's required to translate that financial 'success' to the trophy cabinet.
I am not enic out but I can respect that argument
 
Liverpool fans and Woolwich fans being a bit militant help push those clubs to be a bit more ambitious on the pitch. The more passive we are the more chance of another Nuno getting thrown at us. Don’t have to change the ownership always to force some change. Being passive will not help us.

We need to be hard to govern, but Spurs fans are passive mostly by nature compared to many other clubs. We almost feel embarrassed if there is a protest.
Which is why I call out the keyboard warriors on here.

Imagine the effect of 85% of ST holders marching down the high street.
Or better still, having 34,500 empty seats at games .

It's the Enic outers that have to be more militant, instead of bashing away at their keyboards from their sofas.
 
Whether you are/were in favour of the European Super League or not, there's a good chance it will happen at some point. I'd like the club to be in a position to decide whether it wanted to participate or not. If we're not careful, we might not be included in the conversation a couple of seasons from now.

Like you, I see the ENIC in/out discussion as a bit too black and white. Right now, on balance, I'd welcome a change of ownership, but I think it would be dishonest to deny them credit for the good things they've done whilst only slating them for the things they've got wrong. We have a solid and sustainable foundation from a financial perspective; they're just not the right owners to do what's required to translate that financial 'success' to the trophy cabinet.
Would be the ultimate Spursy to have our European Super league berth pinched by Newcastle and then it go ahead without us.
 
But Mike Ashley. had he taken over us would not have done as brilliant job as ENIC, likewise the Everton owners as you only have to look at their history at their own clubs... so credit were credit is due to Levy.

The trophy argument is really very pointless, take a look at the previous posts with regards to trophies and you'll find that not many clubs other than the obvious ones win anything. Just a few examples of teams currently in the league, can't be bothered to go through them all

Evertons last trophy - 1995
Aston Villa - 1996
Newcastle - 1955
West Ham - 1980
Leeds United - 1992
Crystal Palace - 1994

The list is endless but apparently its only Tottenham that don't win trophies :thumbup:

Man Utd - massive club
Woolwich - can't argue with their history
Liverpool - Same
Man City - money
Chelsea - Money

The only real exception was Leicester who massively lucked out, you can't tell me their board planned for a Premier League win, so I wouldn't call their owners a raging success.

I'm not even gonna worry about clubs who have won lucky cups i.e Wigan, Birmingham etc as they are now playing in the lower leagues. Hardly call that a success.
Yeah like Wigan should be in the Prem permanently same with Portsmouth. They are much smaller clubs and have won a bigger trophy than Spurs under Levy. Rather than discounting them they reinforce the failure of ENIC story way more than the money clubs haul
 
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