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People were discussing here a few days ago how the new stadium affected our transfer business, they mostly focused on the profile of the transfers (which I think is missing the point a little bit, the stadium is about increasing our ability to spend in the market, it's not really supposed to attact higher profile signings by its own), so I decided to compare the pre-stadium spending of Spurs under ENIC (net spend from 01/02 to 18/19) with the post-stadium spending of Spurs under ENIC (19/20 to 23/24).
I'll compare it with the rest of the top six minus Chelsea (simply because they've been a massive outlier under Boehly, stretching FFP with their amortisation shenaingans).
In addition I'll be comparing Tottenham's net spend with United's specifically, because while some teams have gone up and down in spending, United have always been the Northern star of extravagent transfer windows.
All the numbers are from transfermarkt and are in Euros.

01/02 to 18/19, or the pre-stadium period:
Average net spend of United, Woolwich, Liverpool, City from 01/02 to 18/19: 782.53m
Net spend of United from 01/02 to 18/19: 940.48m
Net spend of Spurs from 01/02 to 18/19: 266.75m

19/20 to 23/24, or the post-stadium period:
Average net spend of United, Woolwich, Liverpool, City from 19/20 to 23/24: 492.95m
Net spend of United from 19/20 to 23/24: 701.81m
Net spend of Spurs from 19/20 to 23/24: 510.03m

We went from spending 34.1% of what the rest of the big six (minus Chelsea) spent on average from 01/02 to 18/19, to spending 103% of the average of the rest of the big six minus Chelsea from 19/20 to 23/24.

We went from spending 28.36% of what United spent to 72.67% of United’s spending.

Granted, this is only a piece of the puzzle, when you don't consider wages or clubs bolstering their finances through the sale of academy talents, and you have to consider that while the stadium bolstered our spending, the building of the stadium obviously constrained us. Overall though, I do think there's an obvious closing of the gap from the financial elite of England (and the world), though the gap between us and the true monsters like United will likely always be there.

Thank you for this informative post mate.

Annual Payroll - 2016/2017 - £71,261,400
Annual Payroll - 2017/2018 - £80,417,800
Annual Payroll - 2018/2019 - £90,525,000
Annual Payroll - 2019/2020 - £106,380,000
Annual Payroll - 2020/2021 - £135,786,000
Annual Payroll - 2021/2022 - £110,416,000
Annual Payroll - 2022/2023 - £117,000,000
Annual Payroll - 2023/2024 - £110,656,000 - for some reason Maddison, Solomon, Johnson, VDV, Udogie and Veliz are not included so I would assume that number will rise, lets be fair, by the average salary overall of 3.5 million per player @ 6 players is 21,000,000 so roughly 130,000,000.


In that time Woolwich went from

2016/17 - 102,000,000 to
2023/24 - 174,000,000

Liverpool went from

2016/17 - 90,000,000 to
2023/24 - 147,000,000

Man U went from

2016/17 - 152,000,000 to
2023/24 - 214,000,000


So our wage bill has nearly doubled since moving out of the stadium - we are yet to catch up on our rivals' but we are clearly in a better position now to be offering a wages we could never have dreamed of back in 2016/17.

For context, back then United had 5+ players on 200k+ a week

"Yeah, but everyone else has spent more as well, so it doesn't count "

Yet another myth destroyed.
 
"Yeah, but everyone else has spent more as well, so it doesn't count "

Yet another myth destroyed.

I don't want to move the goalposts too much with this.

Other teams definitely do spend more than us but the stadium move has seemingly allowed us to spend more than we did when we were at old WHL.

The truth is we spent more, but spent it badly.
 
I don't want to move the goalposts too much with this.

Other teams definitely do spend more than us but the stadium move has seemingly allowed us to spend more than we did when we were at old WHL.

The truth is we spent more, but spent it badly.
That's my point mate.
The argument goes ;

"The new stadium allowed us to spend more"

This is countered by the myth ;

"Doesn't count, because everyone is spending more and we would have spent more anyway "


The figures posted by you and GGTH GGTH prove that our spending has increased exponentially due to the new stadium.
We would have spent more, but nowhere near as much as we have without the new stadium.

Hence the myth is busted
 
Will just get it off my chest:

Bald Cunt is going to - sooner or later - fuck this manager off and he's going to leave.

Having shown the world he can cut it in the most competitive league out there.

He'll have his pick - here + Saudi - and he'll tell Bald Con Cunt to stick it.

All, but the hardest Dopey Cult Crackheads who still support this crook, will turn, and the stadium will become toxic.

If this doesn't happen, the roasting will, no doubt, commence, and I'll, gladly, take my lumps, as I want Ange to stay for a long time (and be given what he needs!!!!).

But a Bald Cunt doesn't change it's spots.
 
Will just get it off my chest:

Bald Cunt is going to - sooner or later - fuck this manager off and he's going to leave.

Having shown the world he can cut it in the most competitive league out there.

He'll have his pick - here + Saudi - and he'll tell Bald Con Cunt to stick it.

All, but the hardest Dopey Cult Crackheads who still support this crook, will turn, and the stadium will become toxic.

If this doesn't happen, the roasting will, no doubt, commence, and I'll, gladly, take my lumps, as I want Ange to stay for a long time (and be given what he needs!!!!).

But a Bald Cunt doesn't change it's spots.
You can lead a bald cunt to water but he will still cry over spilt milk
 
Will just get it off my chest:

Bald Cunt is going to - sooner or later - fuck this manager off and he's going to leave.

Having shown the world he can cut it in the most competitive league out there.

He'll have his pick - here + Saudi - and he'll tell Bald Con Cunt to stick it.

All, but the hardest Dopey Cult Crackheads who still support this crook, will turn, and the stadium will become toxic.

If this doesn't happen, the roasting will, no doubt, commence, and I'll, gladly, take my lumps, as I want Ange to stay for a long time (and be given what he needs!!!!).

But a Bald Cunt doesn't change it's spots.

Have a day off ffs

Why can't you guys just live in the moment and learn to enjoy something when it's good. Being in a perpetual state of misery and waiting for things to fuck up is just the epitome of being Spursy, absolute loser mentality.
 


Getting planning for that increases the value of the club for when they sell. They wont build them, but it will make the club more attractive for a purchaser. Or....they will sell them off to a developer to build, which could be just as likely actually.

For those of us who want them gone, it should not be viewed as a negative really because it could well indicate a timescale of their intentions. If they actually start building them themselves with a developer, then we have to worry as it will be quite the indication that they arent intending to go anytime soon.
 
Daniel Levy for King.

:nunothumb:

Run Away GIF
 

Surprising​

10-year spending table​

Net spending per cub​

1. Manchester United - £1.19bn
2. Chelsea - £883m
3. PSG - £866m
4. Woolwich - £745m
5. Man City - £732m
6. Newcastle £573m
7. Barcelona - £568m
8. Tottenham - £521m
9. AC Milan - £467m
10. West Ham - £452m
11. Aston Villa - £413m
12. Liverpool - £395m
13. Al Hilal - £392m
14. Juventus - £385m
15. Everton - £336m
16. Crystal Palace - £322m
17. Bournemouth - £294m
18. Bayern Munich - £294m
19. Real Madrid - £279m
20. Nottingham Forest - £265
 

Surprising​

10-year spending table​

Net spending per cub​

1. Manchester United - £1.19bn
2. Chelsea - £883m
3. PSG - £866m
4. Woolwich - £745m
5. Man City - £732m
6. Newcastle £573m
7. Barcelona - £568m
8. Tottenham - £521m
9. AC Milan - £467m
10. West Ham - £452m
11. Aston Villa - £413m
12. Liverpool - £395m
13. Al Hilal - £392m
14. Juventus - £385m
15. Everton - £336m
16. Crystal Palace - £322m
17. Bournemouth - £294m
18. Bayern Munich - £294m
19. Real Madrid - £279m
20. Nottingham Forest - £265
A very valuable counterpoint to the 5 year PL net spend tables.

And quite fascinating in its own right.
 
If we build a quality team for a low amount of money that can compete in all competitions that's fine by me. To that you have to have the right system in place, we still don't have that yet. Some people are content that Levy continues consulting a fraud because what he did was in Italy or other clubs are also corrupt, it's not a criminal offence blah blah. Thankfully even Levy sees that we can't continue consulting a dodgy DOF of the books. We now need to push on and appoint the next DOF before January.
 
If we build a quality team for a low amount of money that can compete in all competitions that's fine by me. To that you have to have the right system in place, we still don't have that yet. Some people are content that Levy continues consulting a fraud because what he did was in Italy or other clubs are also corrupt, it's not a criminal offence blah blah. Thankfully even Levy sees that we can't continue consulting a dodgy DOF of the books. We now need to push on and appoint the next DOF before January.
What evidence do you have that Levy has ever taken a decision based on the moral high ground over profit?

He’s just as likely to promote Leonardo Gabbanini as DoF with a direct line in to Fabio for support in my opinion.
 
What evidence do you have that Levy has ever taken a decision based on the moral high ground over profit?

He’s just as likely to promote Leonardo Gabbanini as DoF with a direct line in to Fabio for support in my opinion.
Eh? I know he's morally corrupt otherwise he wouldn't be consulting with Paratici in the first place.

Na, why wouldn't he have promoted Gabbanini before or right now?
 

Surprising​

10-year spending table​

Net spending per cub​

1. Manchester United - £1.19bn
2. Chelsea - £883m
3. PSG - £866m
4. Woolwich - £745m
5. Man City - £732m
6. Newcastle £573m
7. Barcelona - £568m
8. Tottenham - £521m
9. AC Milan - £467m
10. West Ham - £452m
11. Aston Villa - £413m
12. Liverpool - £395m
13. Al Hilal - £392m
14. Juventus - £385m
15. Everton - £336m
16. Crystal Palace - £322m
17. Bournemouth - £294m
18. Bayern Munich - £294m
19. Real Madrid - £279m
20. Nottingham Forest - £265
30m of that was for Sissoko.

:dempsey:

Fuck me that sucked.
 
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