Levy / ENIC

[MVP]

Leicester have won 2 trophies to our 1 now, shameful.

 

[Igula]

No ones comparing us to Burnley, that's a silly thing to say.

We were/are a big club - but that only gets you so far off the field and with 4 similar sized clubs having a 10+ year headstart on CL revenue and associated sponsorship deals then it barely means anything, those clubs had the same or better base as us and then got an unfair advantage on top of that - despite that we're actually now going to be on a level with Chelsea/Woolwich/Liverpool off the field once crowds are back to stadiums.

When Enic came in Leeds, Villa & Newcastle had similar revenues to us, that's the level our fanbase/history/location got us at that point - we're now way out ahead of those clubs off the field, that isn't something that was destined to happen irrespective of who was in charge.

But that is the point we are a big club and all Levy has done is get us to the big club level. He hasn't taken us above that, hasn't brought us to a level that we should be at or historically have never been. He has us where we should be.

I can't speak to the revenue of Villa, Leeds and Newcastle were at the time but they weren't included in the Big Five when setting up the PL. That shows that we had some level of power above them.

It seems that the argument in favor of Levy is that he hasn't been a terrible owner like others have. That isn't a ringing endorsement. It certainly doesn't excuse the massive mistakes he has made and comes nowhere close to making him a good owner.

 

[Zomb]

Unfortunately having a big/huge fanbase domestically before english football exploded world wide and became the huge money spinner it is today doesn't really count for shit (wrt to this particular argument)

Not saying it does - my point is scraping fourth is not an achievement, still underachieving

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Leicester have won 2 trophies to our 1 now, shameful.

1 much bigger and the other a bit bigger

 

[Ed Vanderlay]

Just watched Leicester win the FA Cup and their owner is crying with happiness.

I don't think we'd see that emotion from Levy.

Only cos he would be thinking about the bonuses he would have to pay

 

[The Swellhead Spur]

All ENICS fault that spending money the past few years and the fact that Lloris, Toby, Jan, Dembele, Eriksen, Son & Kane all combined have less trophies in English football than Wes Morgan

All their fault, yes they have made some aweful decisions but people blame them for not wanting the club to do better, they have built the club to a point we were invited to the super league.

Whatever you think of the super league that is ambition.

 

[John Thomas]

Location, history, size of the fan base.

Spurs were one of the bigger clubs in England when Levy took over. They are historically a big club with a big fanbase. As I had already shown they were one of the big 5 when the PL started 10 years before Levy took over. There is a reason they were the club he bought.

When we last won the FA cup I think it was for a RECORD 8th time.

When people keep using the 90s and early 2000s to benchmark their support for ENIC it's like they're completely writing off our history and previous achievements.
It's both infuriating and pathetic.

 

[Micky Bubbles]

But that is the point we are a big club and all Levy has done is get us to the big club level. He hasn't taken us above that, hasn't brought us to a level that we should be at or historically have never been. He has us where we should be.

I can't speak to the revenue of Villa, Leeds and Newcastle were at the time but they weren't included in the Big Five when setting up the PL. That shows that we had some level of power above them.

It seems that the argument in favor of Levy is that he hasn't been a terrible owner like others have. That isn't a ringing endorsement. It certainly doesn't excuse the massive mistakes he has made and comes nowhere close to making him a good owner.

The info put forward shows that there were several clubs of a similar standing to us in the mod to late 90s that also missed out on the CL and associated financial boom, we outperformed each of them over this period, on the pitch and off of it, massively so. We have no devine right to be where we are or where we want to be, we've got this far through good long term management, plain and simple and there's no example to be had to show that we should have performed better.

 

[Zomb]

All ENICS fault that spending money the past few years and the fact that Lloris, Toby, Jan, Dembele, Eriksen, Son & Kane all combined have less trophies in English football than Wes Morgan

All their fault, yes they have made some aweful decisions but people blame them for not wanting the club to do better, they have built the club to a point we were invited to the super league.

Whatever you think of the super league that is ambition.

How long have u followed spurs?

 

[Igula]

All ENICS fault that spending money the past few years and the fact that Lloris, Toby, Jan, Dembele, Eriksen, Son & Kane all combined have less trophies in English football than Wes Morgan

All their fault, yes they have made some aweful decisions but people blame them for not wanting the club to do better, they have built the club to a point we were invited to the super league.

Whatever you think of the super league that is ambition.

Who made the decision to have Levy as the DOF? How is that not their fault?

We got into the Super League in large part because of the financial move they have made, not many people will argue with what they have done in that regard, it is the footballing decisions they have made, in large part due fully to their own incompetence, that is the problem.

Ambition is not having Levy as the DOF, there is no way you can say that is ambition. There is no justification for that in any way. Nothing they have done excuses that. There is no outside forces that made them do that.

 

[MVP]

All ENICS fault that spending money the past few years and the fact that Lloris, Toby, Jan, Dembele, Eriksen, Son & Kane all combined have less trophies in English football than Wes Morgan

All their fault, yes they have made some aweful decisions but people blame them for not wanting the club to do better, they have built the club to a point we were invited to the super league.

Whatever you think of the super league that is ambition.

It's not ambition it's just Levy trying to take an easy route to CL football because he knows the team won't be qualifying for it for a long time.

 

[Matt1882]

Location, history, size of the fan base.

Spurs were one of the bigger clubs in England when Levy took over. They are historically a big club with a big fanbase. As I had already shown they were one of the big 5 when the PL started 10 years before Levy took over. There is a reason they were the club he bought.

There are things that Spurs have that a team like Burnley does not. Outside of splashing huge amounts of personal cash and not worrying about running a proper business Burnley cannot do what we are, they don't have the fan base, they don't have the corporate opportunities, they don't have the global appeal etc.

When Levy took over in 2000, we'd won the 99 League Cup, the 91 FA Cup, losing 87 FA Cup finalist, 84 Uefa Cup winner, 82 FA Cup Winner 81 FA Cup winner.
That's 20 years prior to Levy
In 20 years since Levy. 08 micky mouse winner. 1 trophy in 20 years Vs 5. And IIRC, we were unlucky not to win more in the 80s, fixture pile up cost us the title in 87?

 

[John Thomas]

All their fault, yes they have made some aweful decisions but people blame them for not wanting the club to do better, they have built the club to a point we were invited to the super league.
Whatever you think of the super league that is ambition.

If the Super League had taken off do you think they would have actually shown ambition to win it?
Or do you think they would have just been happy to milk the profits safe in the knowledge that relegation would never be an issue?

I know what I think

 

[The Swellhead Spur]

How long have u followed spurs?

Since the first game I watched in 98

 

[Igula]

The info put forward shows that there were several clubs of a similar standing to us in the mod to late 90s that also missed out on the CL and associated financial boom, we outperformed each of them over this period, on the pitch and off of it, massively so. We have no devine right to be where we are or where we want to be, we've got this far through good long term management, plain and simple and there's no example to be had to show that we should have performed better.

Devine right? What the hell are you talking about.

We have got where we are in large part to things put in place before ENIC and Levy even got here.

There is nothing to indicate they did anything special that many others could not have done or did anything that would have resulted in the same results at a smaller club.

 

[Zomb]

It's not ambition it's just Levy trying to take an easy route to CL football because he knows the team won't be qualifying for it for a long time.

We will never qualify for it with him at the helm, the game has moved on so quickly. Man City have 10 ex Barcelona execs running the show behind Pep, we have Levy the spiv and Steve from Hitchin

 

[The Swellhead Spur]

If the Super League had taken off do you think they would have actually shown ambition to win it?
Or do you think they would have just been happy to milk the profits safe in the knowledge that relegation would never be an issue?

I know what I think

The fact we haven't won anything since 08 on the pitch isn't ENICs fault directly, not his fault Kane started the CL final, we have had many attempts, just the players fail to show up and lack of luck

 

[Zomb]

Since the first game I watched in 98

There you go - no idea on our heritage and standing in the game

 

[Igula]

When Levy took over in 2000, we'd won the 99 League Cup, the 91 FA Cup, losing 87 FA Cup finalist, 84 Uefa Cup winner, 82 FA Cup Winner 81 FA Cup winner.
That's 20 years prior to Levy
In 20 years since Levy. 08 micky mouse winner. 1 trophy in 20 years Vs 5. And IIRC, we were unlucky not to win more in the 80s, fixture pile up cost us the title in 87?

In a slight defense of Levy I will say that trophies were easier to win back then than they are now. But still we should have more and we should be one of the few teams that are competitive to win trophies now.

 

[Micky Bubbles]

Devine right? What the hell are you talking about.

We have got where we are in large part to things put in place before ENIC and Levy even got here.

There is nothing to indicate they did anything special that many others could not have done or did anything that would have resulted in the same results at a smaller club.

Nothing that shows they done anything special, except that all the other comparable clubs fared much worse and no one done better...

Ok then