Mauricio Pochettino

Hey I’d have loved us to win the CL we could have dined out on that forever but we were lucky as fuck to even get there no to mention winning the thing and yes we got a taste of what it’s like to be in that position and of course you want to taste it again but we as a club it doesn’t work like that unfortunately but I don’t grudge our fan base craving success the younger ones they see their mates who support other teams City, Chelsea’ etc and they want that feeling of winning! I’m older I know what to expect and I’m not disappointed :thumbdown:
and that right there is the culture we need to change.

I saw a lot of shit during Sugar's reign, back then we were no better than West Ham.
But look at the improvements we've made since then in every aspect of the club.
As a club we either aim high or amount to fuck all
 
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Hey I’d have loved us to win the CL we could have dined out on that forever but we were lucky as fuck to even get there no to mention winning the thing and yes we got a taste of what it’s like to be in that position and of course you want to taste it again but we as a club it doesn’t work like that unfortunately but I don’t grudge our fan base craving success the younger ones they see their mates who support other teams City, Chelsea’ etc and they want that feeling of winning! I’m older I know what to expect and I’m not disappointed :thumbdown:
I get your point.
I guess I agree with you, it is what it is, and no amount of grumbling from us will change it.
That's not to say anyone is "happy" with how things are.

The counter argument is that we are a big club and we shouldn't be happy to accept top 4 only and that everyone involved in the club should be wanting more.

We all do want more, obviously, it's how we get it and who's to blame is the issue.
 
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I recently watched the Sunderland til I die series on Netflix, well worth a watch imo.

One of the things it really illustrated to me is how when a club gets into a downward spiral, and the bigger the club the harder it is to course correct and turn a big ship round.
The entire culture of the club has to change and fans have a massive part to play in that.

We spent more than a decade in the footballing wilderness while clubs like Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea and Woolwich were in the Champions league we were floundering with the likes of West Ham in mid table.
they had a massive financial head start on that.

But I think we got the ship turned very slowly through small steps; Jol, then Redknapp, then Poch. Selling our best players, re-investing, rinse and repeat. Until we find ourselves where we are today.

We can't stop now we need to get that positivity back

We need to back Jose, get behind the players and start believing again, not pining over Poch.

that show really illustrated how important a fanbase is and how if everybody at a club pulls in the same direction you can make changes.
It also illustrated how damaging apathy and a toxic atmosphere are to a football club.
People in the game know this, which is why you get Jurgen Klopp for example coming out and telling the fans to believe.
 
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Downfall? We had finished between 4th and 6th for the previous 5 seasons so he hardly worked miracles. Jesus listening to some fans you'd think we were consistently battling relegation before pochettino came along
 
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No it's not.
But Poch came in period when we were in downfall and eventually he made us consistent CL club.
We measure succes bay context od the club, the time manager came in etc.

Joined a club that finished 6th the season before, 4th, 5th and 4th the season before that.

Left the club with us 14th in the league.


To put things into context we are the only top 6 club not to won anything during his tenure:

Man City 2 x PL titles, 3 league cups, 1 FA Cup

Chelsea 2 x PL titles, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 1 UEFA Cup

Manchester United 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 1 UEFA Cup

Woolwich 2 FA Cups

Liverpool 1 x CL , 1 PL title

Tottenham 0


This despite having a better team than most of those sides during that time but as always it's not his fault.


Also can we please with stop with this 2 trophies in the PL era nonsense as if this shouldn't be an expectation.

We have had a team good enough since 2005 with the best coming in the last 5 years. In that time us and Schalke are the only side not to have won anything who make up the 15 richest clubs in Europe.

We are the only club in the top 10 who hasn't won anything in the last decade.

I really do not understand this attempt to create poor little Spurs mindset in order to elevate Pochettinho into a position that he doesn't deserve to hold.
 
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Joined a club that finished 6th the season before, 4th, 5th and 4th the season before that.

Left the club with us 14th in the league.


To put things into context we are the only top 6 club not to won anything during his tenure:

Man City 2 x PL titles, 3 league cups, 1 FA Cup

Chelsea 2 x PL titles, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 1 UEFA Cup

Manchester United 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup, 1 UEFA Cup

Woolwich 2 FA Cups

Liverpool 1 x CL , 1 PL title

Tottenham 0


This despite having a better team than most of those sides during that time but as always it's not his fault.


Also can we please with stop with this 2 trophies in the PL era nonsense as if this shouldn't be an expectation.

We have had a team good enough since 2005 with the best coming in the last 5 years. In that time us and Schalke are the only side not to have won anything who make up the 15 richest clubs in Europe.

We are the only club in the top 10 who hasn't won anything in the last decade.

I really do not understand this attempt to create poor little Spurs mindset in order to elevate Pochettinho into a position that he doesn't deserve to hold.
I said his time at Spurs was success.
He's not the only one to blame for not winning trophies, although he has his own mistakes.

Regardles, he's not perfect, but he was success for us. Stop with agenda his time at Spurs wasn't good enough or that his time here wasn't the best period in God knows gow many years.

Give him credit and move on. Don't be little rat like most Woolwich fans are about Wenger.
 
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I said his time at Spurs was success.
He's not the only one to blame for not winning trophies, although he has his own mistakes.

Regardles, he's not perfect, but he was success for us. Stop with agenda his time at Spurs wasn't good enough or that his time here wasn't the best period in God knows gow many years.

Give him credit and move on. Don't be little rat like most Woolwich fans are about Wenger.
Why would I give credit to what I believe is the primary cause for the what I posted before? If a team that should have trophies doesn’t it what way was he successful?

And no Woolwich supporters say the same about Wenger - he won 3 league titles and 7 FA cups. In what possible way is the comparable?
 
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Why would I give credit to what I believe is the primary cause for the what I posted before? If a team that should have trophies doesn’t it what way was he successful?

And no Woolwich supporters say the same about Wenger - he won 3 league titles and 7 FA cups. In what possible way is the comparable?
Thank God you're minority.
 
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Downfall? We had finished between 4th and 6th for the previous 5 seasons so he hardly worked miracles. Jesus listening to some fans you'd think we were consistently battling relegation before pochettino came along
Don't act like we weren't a mess with AVB and Sherwood later. The atmosphere around club wasn't good.
Poch came in: 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th +Cl final.

It's not similar to barely getting top 4, is it?

Just give gim credit and don't act like he was a failure.
 
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Don't act like we weren't a mess with AVB and Sherwood later. The atmosphere around club wasn't good.
Poch came in: 5th, 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th +Cl final.

It's not similar to barely getting top 4, is it?

Just give gim credit and don't act like he was a failure.
He had a team that was better then most of the top 6 for 2/3 years and won nothing while they all won something. He made ridiculous tactical and player decisions in massive games and never learnt from each major semi final defeat to make sure it didn't happen again.
So for me he failed he is a slight improvement on avb,redknapp and jol that is all. He isn't elite and you will see that at his next job
 
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He had a team that was better then most of the top 6 for 2/3 years and won nothing while they all won something. He made ridiculous tactical and player decisions in massive games and never learnt from each major semi final defeat to make sure it didn't happen again.
So for me he failed he is a slight improvement on avb,redknapp and jol that is all. He isn't elite and you will see that at his next job
Where did I say he's elite?
Okay, we'll see. But if he does win at other place, that's just hurr even more. Nevermind.
 
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Great read. Still love him. Jose isn't our future but neither are Levy/ENIC but I fear we're stuck with the latter for some time to come.

:pochunimpressed:

Oh and I think he's going to Newcastle. Talking about a club outside the Top 6 and importance of the 'project' and fans. I always thought he was going to Man United but Ole is doing okay and suspect they've gone cold on Poch.

We shall see!
 
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Great read. Still love him. Jose isn't our future but neither are Levy/ENIC but I fear we're stuck with the latter for some time to come.

:pochunimpressed:

Oh and I think he's going to Newcastle. Talking about a club outside the Top 6 and importance of the 'project' and fans. I always thought he was going to Man United but Ole is doing okay and suspect they've gone cold on Poch.

We shall see!
Not even remotely convinced that Jose is our present. So far he's been shite, with some of the worst football I've seen us play for over a decade.
 
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Not even remotely convinced that Jose is our present. So far he's been shite, with some of the worst football I've seen us play for over a decade.
No but he'll be our manager at the start of next season at the very least, whenever that may be.

Beyond that, not so sure.
 
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