To Renew or not Renew poll

[Legacy Lilywhite]

Exactly how I feel about things. I rarely watch other live games, 90+ minutes is just too much for me

That’s very true. I went to Brentford vs Forest before Lockdown... it was a tense affair... but I was just there to take photos of terraces and reminisce with myself about the terraces at WHL. Left at 60 mins completely bored with the result. Stewards thought I was mad.

 

[Bow Lockes]

Each to their own, and with respect...I struggle to understand going to watch lower league clubs instead of Spurs. I understand the atmosphere and the experience might be better, but it's...not Spurs? Surely you can't want the team to win with anything approaching the same passion. And surely you don't feel the same bond with the other Orient or Peterborough fans- as these are people who have shared relegations, promotions, play-offs, the club's financial problems etc with each other- but you don't support that team and haven't shared all that. Whereas at Spurs I feel a tribal loyalty towards other yids because we've shared everything together, and we're the same in important ways. Maybe it develops over time I guess, but would you ever truly belong in the same way as someone who is from Peterborough who has loved that club from their youth?

I do agree that at the new ground the atmosphere is soulless 99% of the time...unless it's a game against top 6 opposition, when it's always pretty decent. I love meeting up with people before and after, and for the game I see it as a chance to watch the actual game from a comfy seat with a great view and see who is performing well etc, rather than a proper genuine football experience because it is no longer that sadly. Away games are a totally different experience altogether, and I think I'd rather miss 5 home games than 1 away game.

If for some reason I couldn't go away, I'd still keep my ST but the main reason I always renew without thinking is that with my LP's it guarantees me away tickets.

My first professional game I watched was the Orient, I’ve experienced play off penalty losses at Wembley with the Orient, Cup Final losses at Wembley, promotions watching Orient.....no it will never be Spurs but me and recently my two lads have had some amazing experiences watching the Orient. I was at Brisbane Road in the away end when the ginger Pele scored against them in the Cup and celebrated like we had won the Cup lol

Its a great day out in the lower leagues, I want my kids to experience football how it used to be, hear the players , see the players expressions, be able to shout at the players and have a laugh with them, how I grew up watching football.

 

[spursmalc]

When I was young and unable to go to WHL on my own I used to go and watch Non league football. Locally. I would see several mates from School there and really enjoyed it and yes wanted them to win which they did one year winning the league. However there was no conflict with Spurs as no Live TV or streaming. The club folded a few years later and I became mobile and went to WHL. Now retired these last few years and living elsewhere I have considered going to see my local non league team but it has never happened. I would not go on days Spurs were playing now, would have to go on my own and do not know whether I would enjoy it. When younger I watched MOD and Big Match and every Cup Final but now I cannot be fussed to watch other teams on the Box and cannot remember the last F A Cup final I watched and even though I have a BT subscription will not be watching the CL now Spurs are out.

 

[Chester/ Yukon]

My uncle would tell me on his occasional visits to the great outdoors that he couldn't wait for the season to start , new signings like Peters , Argie lads , , would excite the palette . Of course he believed in being self entitled as we won a bit of silver.
Expectations would be high if usually a false dawn.
Today this Danish clogger , Watford , Bournemouth, Arse rejects has eventually said enough . 51 years going , 24 as a season ticket holder , finally time to move on and put his feet up .
He just doesn't enjoy the quality of football, crap signings and ability to achieve . Let a tourist Day tripper type take his place. The club will be happy as he don't buy any tat.

 

[Brian Fantana]

I first went to a game and immediately applied for a season ticket when we was managed by Santini. This doesn't compare to a few people that I go with that went to every game the year we was in the 2nd division. But I support the CLUB and (more importantly to me) enjoy the socialising around going to football too much to give it up. That being said I can afford it at the moment bit when it starts becoming prohibitively expensive I can see the crowd I go with jacking it in and maybe start going to a non league team or just staying in the pub. A few have started to fall out of love with what top tier football has become.

Definitely count me in as being part of that group. VAR has completely ruined the match experience for me. You can’t safely celebrate a goal now without the fear of it being chalked off. That and the moaning around me in the south stand is just terrible. We have some terrible fans who seem to outnumber the good ones now I’m afraid.

 

[palmers_green_yid]

You should appreciate that for those of us who have been part of the club our whole lives that this is how we feel about Tottenham. We are the club and the club is us. That strong feeling of belonging and of being is there. We have a hardcore of a few thousand fans who stuck with the club throughout the nineties and previous decades of course - and the failure and the mediocrity. It means we’re as close to THFC as any fan of any small club.

I do watch lower league football and non league but it is not the same. That raw intimacy and passion and connection they feel with their club is what I have to Spurs.

This 100%. I don't feel there is a difference being a hardcore Spurs fan and a hardcore supporter of a lower league team. The expectations are different but I imagine they would feel the same about e.g. gaining promotion as we would e.g. winning the cup. And if we were playing at Championship or League One or whatever, we would still be there.

 

[ClosedAccount542]

I'm a life member of Wealdstone. Started following them in my early teens when they still played at Lower Mead in Harrow, before Tesco fucked them over and they were nomads for a while. Sponsored a few games too through my local pub in Wembley a few times, getting into the directors 'lounge' at Grosvenor Vale on many occasions.

Didn't get to one game last season however, I do still follow their results closely.

Games against Borough and Northwood were always 'tasty' affairs but a loss for the stones never hurt as much as a Spurs loss, it did hurt though.

That brings back some memories John - I went a couple of times in the late 70s - wasn't there a local Saturday market that used the car park there??

 

[deadleyledley]

My first professional game I watched was the Orient, I’ve experienced play off penalty losses at Wembley with the Orient, Cup Final losses at Wembley, promotions watching Orient.....no it will never be Spurs but me and recently my two lads have had some amazing experiences watching the Orient. I was at Brisbane Road in the away end when the ginger Pele scored against them in the Cup and celebrated like we had won the Cup lol

Its a great day out in the lower leagues, I want my kids to experience football how it used to be, hear the players , see the players expressions, be able to shout at the players and have a laugh with them, how I grew up watching football.

I was there that day.

I still have nightmares of Chris Dagnall not quite reaching a tap in at the back post to make it 3-2 in the dying minutes.

 

[Mrs Perryman]

If there was no Tottenham Hotspur, I would not bother with football at all. I have 53 years of history with them - apart from family and my faith, no-one/nothing has been part of my life for that long.
I couldn't/wouldn't get involved with another club at this stage of my life. When the day comes when I can't attend matches, I will have to be content with watching games on TV.

 

[Bow Lockes]

I was there that day.

I still have nightmares of Chris Dagnall not quite reaching a tap in at the back post to make it 3-2 in the dying minutes.

That close to the Championship!

 

[deadleyledley]

That close to the Championship!

Yeah I spoke to him after the game. He was absolutely gutted.

 

[Fattynomates]

Anyone heard anything on the relocation's yet?

 

[Brian Fantana]

If people don't renew I wonder what effect it will have on those employees at the club. Season ticket money is usually guaranteed income. If it isn't there and as we tried to furlough staff in the Spring I wonder if we will be having to make some redundancies?

 

[Coys1955]

If people don't renew I wonder what effect it will have on those employees at the club. Season ticket money is usually guaranteed income. If it isn't there and as we tried to furlough staff in the Spring I wonder if we will be having to make some redundancies?

Whatever happens regarding non-renewals the club are only getting max 20% of last season's ST money up front and in the worst case even that may be held over until next season. Grim times ahead for everyone employed in the football world.

 

[Fattynomates]

Whatever happens regarding non-renewals the club are only getting max 20% of last season's ST money up front and in the worst case even that may be held over until next season. Grim times ahead for everyone employed in the football world.

except for Players and Managers etc....

 

[Henry Hotspur]

Anyone heard anything on the relocation's yet?

Not a dicky bird...

 

[Coys1955]

except for Players and Managers etc....

I agree for the Premier League and probably Championship clubs, but I’m not so sure that all League 1 & 2 clubs will be able to pay players and management if this goes on much longer.

 

[BernardMatthews]

If people don't renew I wonder what effect it will have on those employees at the club. Season ticket money is usually guaranteed income. If it isn't there and as we tried to furlough staff in the Spring I wonder if we will be having to make some redundancies?

Well any people not renewing is definitely not the problem.

The hospitality sector is dying and no fans means no need for a lot of match day staff.

Players wages are a bigger issue than a few thousand fans deciding they can’t justify the cost of premier league football right now. And our stadium needing to be repaid I guess.

We have also just spent £15m on a midfielder. The most the club can make from ST sales is £1m.

The maths is right there. Any decision to let staff go will be a business led one.

 

[Fattynomates]

Well any people not renewing is definitely not the problem.

The hospitality sector is dying and no fans means no need for a lot of match day staff.

Players wages are a bigger issue than a few thousand fans deciding they can’t justify the cost of premier league football right now. And our stadium needing to be repaid I guess.

We have also just spent £15m on a midfielder. The most the club can make from ST sales is £1m.

The maths is right there. Any decision to let staff go will be a business led one.

Where did you get £1 million from? if we have 40K ST holders and the average 20% payment was £200 then thats £8 million when we dont even know when fans will be allowed back in the stadium?

 

[BernardMatthews]

Where did you get £1 million from? if we have 40K ST holders and the average 20% payment was £200 then thats £8 million when we dont even know when fans will be allowed back in the stadium?

Well my understanding was that any ST money we get is held in an account and we can only call off money 1 game at a time.
So we might get a load of money in an account somewhere but all we can do in reality is get to the funds for our 1st game. Which would be about 20k fans.....

But that may be totally wrong! Anecdotal......