Tottenham Hotspur vs Chelsea. 4.30 Sunday 19th September. EPL

[Deuterz]

That wasn't a Nuno-fan post.... Just a myth-buster.

I was going to add someone who plays exciting football as a criteria in the original post, my bad.

 

[sudoku]

Facts: We played well 1st half.
Second half we tired.
Dier and Son were just returning from injury.
Ndombele 1st EPL start this season.
GLC, Romero returning from quarantine and 1st competitive game for 2 weeks.
Royal 2nd EPL game he has ever played.
This game is now an ex-parrot to me.

 

[Trimpler]

Anybody noticed Lo Celsos goal and assist record?Absolutely shocking.

 

[Thoughtful]

In 1993 Harding and Bates took over Chelsea and started spending money like water, developing the ground, Chelsea Village etc. They also started buy elite players and sinking millions into the team to achieve success. What they got for their outlay were the cups you listed, not the league or the European cup. When Harding died it all started to fall apart as they had been spending money they didn't have in the hope it won them the big prize.
Ymeaning they would have to ground share, sell off their player assets and try to rebuild - a glorious moment for all Spurs fans - and then the Russian fairy godmother rocked up (and spoiled everything!)

Basically, Chelsea have been buying success from 93 with money they didn't earn, financially or in terms of on field success.

That's not to say that their football teams haven't deserved to win their games and their trophies - it's just that had the club gone about their business in the same way as every other club has had to (excluding the other frauds in Manchester), they would be another West Ham -either that or be extinct or hacking around in the southern league

In 1993 Harding and Bates took over Chelsea and started spending money like water, developing the ground, Chelsea Village etc. They also started buy elite players and sinking millions into the team to achieve success. What they got for their outlay were the cups you listed, not the league or the European cup. When Harding died it all started to fall apart as they had been spending money they didn't have in the hope it won them the big prize.
What happened in that period is a smaller version of what happened when Abramovich arrived. Chelsea were on the verge of being wound up, because they were in so much debt and couldn't pay it off without them selling their site to developers, meaning they would have to ground share, sell off their player assets and try to rebuild - a glorious moment for all Spurs fans - and then the Russian fairy godmother rocked up (and spoiled everything!)

Basically, Chelsea have been buying success from 93 with money they didn't earn, financially or in terms of on field success.

That's not to say that their football teams haven't deserved to win their games and their trophies - it's just that had the club gone about their business in the same way as every other club has had to (excluding the other frauds in Manchester), they would be another West Ham -either that or be extinct or hacking around in the southern league

That’s just not the case.

It was possible that they would go have gone into administration but there was no way that the ground could / would have been sold because Bates had transferred ownership of the bulk of the site such as the stands pitch and even the name Chelsea FC into a separate entity called Chelsea Pitch Owners to protect those assets from the hands of developers should the worse happen.

It was a clever move by Bates. Chelsea lent the Pitch Owners a significant sum ( most of that debt remains outstanding) and that loan was in turn used to buy the assets I mention from Chelsea. Chelsea had had significant issues going back to the 70s when developers did actually own the site.ironically those developers entered insolvency and Chelsea bought the site back from the administrators

 

[Mick Cooper]

That’s just not the case.

It was possible that they would go have gone into administration but there was no way that the ground could / would have been sold because Bates had transferred ownership of the bulk of the site such as the stands pitch and even the name Chelsea FC into a separate entity called Chelsea Pitch Owners to protect those assets from the hands of developers should the worse happen.

It was a clever move by Bates. Chelsea lent the Pitch Owners a significant sum ( most of that debt remains outstanding) and that loan was in turn used to buy the assets I mention from Chelsea. Chelsea had had significant issues going back to the 70s when developers did actually own the site.ironically those developers entered insolvency and Chelsea bought the site back from the administrators

OK

I'm no accountant, or lawyer

But if the football club went into deep debt, and no fairy godmother arrived

Then the law would have come after Bates and everything to do with the football club wanting it's money back. So whether he transferred ownership or not, the lenders would have gone after everything associated with the debt. The discussion is relatively pointless because Abramovich rocked up and bought it all up.

My point still stands, about how Chelsea achieved what they did pre Roman, and how it was all on promises. RA simply wiped the debts and had himself a ready made team, that all he had to do was pour a billion or so quid into.

so it is the case, you are just delving into the semantics of commercial obfuscation

 

[Bazali]

"I think both managers came out of it well."

Absolute nonsense. One of those managers lost 3 - 0 at home.

Kudos to you for getting through it!

 

[Raiders]

It’s hard where we are to hear a lot other than the away fans, but it did seem to be quiet at times today.

Does not matter who I seem to chat to about Spurs at the moment. Optimism, expectation and “buy in” for more Levy nonsense is completely missing. I think that’s why fans are not singing up or bothering much with what’s going on. Good will and faith has gone.

I don't think we are actually that good as a fanbase at the best of times. Saying that is blasphemy and gets disagrees, but I have been going for 20 years. The person I was with went as far as to say our fans were directly responsible for the two goals. I don't think one can say that but it was embarrassing.

I don't think it had much to do with what you say. In my opinion, it is simply down to people wanting/needing to get a drink or one of those terrible pizzas. I had one before the game and was shocked.

 

[LeeMcl]

I don't think we are actually that good as a fanbase at the best of times. Saying that is blasphemy and gets disagrees, but I have been going for 20 years. The person I was with went as far as to say our fans were directly responsible for the two goals. I don't think one can say that but it was embarrassing.

I don't think it had much to do with what you say. In my opinion, it is simply down to people wanting/needing to get a drink or one of those terrible pizzas. I had one before the game and was shocked.

Away, we are very good. At home, at times we are also very good, but our crowd tends to know their beans and basically won’t bother if they spot the players not bothering.

I spent most of the last 15 years of the old WHL in block 31 and with being close to the Park Lane the atmosphere generally was good, but even then there are lots of memories where I can legitimately say that the atmosphere was zero in some games, but in all those games it was never zero when the players gave a fuck.