Jose Mourinho

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Do you accept Jose Mourinho as your saviour?

  • Yes

    Votes: 328 68.9%
  • No

    Votes: 148 31.1%

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todd1882

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Makes a few good points but quite a lazy article, really. Dull and full of cliches - nothing happening so why not whack out an anti-Mourinho article, eh?

Wilson's book on Eastern European football is a good read though.
Interesting take. In what ways do you feel the article was lazy? And are you talking the 1+1=2 way or 'slow day at the office' way you say at the end?
 
Interesting take. In what ways do you feel the article was lazy? And are you talking the 1+1=2 way or 'slow day at the office' way you say at the end?
The goals we concede are not on the manager but on the players, setup and strategy yes.

The team lacks a decent keeper, Toby is all over the place, Sanchez and Aurier are just scary to watch.

Jose has at his disposal 1 defender, covering 4 positions in Tanganga.
In midfield, Jose played Erikssen at the bequest of the board, hence no play time for skipp.

Dier is Dier,Ndombele can not get up to speed, Sissoko doesn't excel at anything.

We have one fit midfielder in Winks,been tasked to do a shielding job, as Gedson gets his fitness up.Dele's output is a reflection of the industry and craft of our midfield.

The author easily disregards the other factors that leave us in this current position, Poch didn't find a solution in the last 12 months, and he had these players for 5 years.

Where other managers might try to find ways of winning a game, Mourinho looks to find ways of deflecting the blame for a loss.

Really poor from the author, Jose tried 3 at the back, but the team looked at sea, Jose also tried 5 at the back, which in attack can morph in 3-4-3 or 3-5-2.

Troy Parrott does not strike me as a Mason Greenwood at Man Utd, who you could see he is really something special.


Modern world of football is about pressing and transitions seems increasingly old-fashioned.

Pressing has been around since day dot, the only difference today, is every outfield player thinks they are a baller, and are playing silly buggers, in the wrong areas of the pitch and teams are not getting punished for what is called tactical fouls.

The so called seige mentality the author talks about, is no different from those who are Samsung or Apple offici-naldo's. The only point i will agree with is Jose has trust issues, and i think, this does not only stem from his time at Real Madrid, but also in his family life.
 
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If you ask me trading Pottachino for Mourinho was a big mistake. Under Potch we were always passing sideways and backwards waiting to make the killer pass. Now we pass sideways and backwards and create nothing. The amount of games where we have the majority of possession but lose is embarrassing. The only saving grace for our team this season is unbelievably the coronavirus. This is not something to be celebrated but the cancellation of matches will extend the end of the season by which time Kane and Son should be back.

As far as team selection goes can someone please explain to me how we have sold both Backs but not bought decent replacements? Aurier is a disaster. He has scored 2 goals in deafeats and has been the reason for a lot of those defeats. Also the defensive lineup has been changed so many ways that nobody knows what they are doing now. The omission of Vertongen partnering his Belgium defensive partner is mad and because he hasn't signed a new contract I think he is being overlooked. These 2 are the reason we did so well last season along with Rose and Walker-Peters, both who have now been sold, what the hell! The reason Man Utd, Liverpool and Woolwich were so successful was due to a stable defense and Leicester City when they won also had a stable defense. All the time we leak goals we will never be successful, a draw is always better than losing for gods sake.

Now for the Striker situation. Who thinks Alli is a striker? No one. Except Mourinho that is. Yet we have our own Wayne Rooney in Parrot but he is never given the chance. Surely putting him on from kick off will give him confidence instead of a substitute. Who the hell can influence a game with 15 minutes on the pitch at such a young age (forget the penalty miss). Beckham, Owen, Rooney, Defoe, Rashford, Foden, Walcott, etc, were all given a place as youngsters and look at them, but Mourinho knows best, I don't think so.

The sad thing is we should be the top London side but I fear that we will end up behind Woolwich yet again. We need a change at the very top. Levy is more interested in making money than creating a successful side. My only hope is that he built the stadium so when he sells he can get top dollar. Lets hope so.
 

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Everyone knew Mourinho was a bad idea, his brilliance faded out at real Madrid. He has not been the same since ... only levy is arrogant enough to think he was the right man to replace poch, who i still believe got shafted with the under investment in the squad ...why do people still trust levy to make football decisions he clearly has no clue, and totally got lucky with poch. Then shafted him and sacked him, we need people in charge who know football like man city have begerestein.....
 

ErikLamela'sHip

RIP Cheeseroom
Interesting take. In what ways do you feel the article was lazy? And are you talking the 1+1=2 way or 'slow day at the office' way you say at the end?
Just think it's a slow day at the office (or rather, the focus isn't on football RN) and JW has dug out a few tropes from his previous Mourinho stuff. Long-ball, hasn't evolved, buses etc. Not saying he's wrong but it's not a persuasive read - doesn't take into account the specifics of our situation.

Edit: I see fruityloopie several posts above has done a sterling job answering your query, so I'll leave it there.
 

todd1882

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Just think it's a slow day at the office (or rather, the focus isn't on football RN) and JW has dug out a few tropes from his previous Mourinho stuff. Long-ball, hasn't evolved, buses etc. Not saying he's wrong but it's not a persuasive read - doesn't take into account the specifics of our situation.
If something is accurate/correct (ie it jibes with the evidence/observations) then surely it is persuasive, no? And to what situational specifics are you referring? Pre or post injuries to Kane and Sonny?

Edit: I see fruityloopie @fruityloopie several posts above has done a sterling job answering your query, so I'll leave it there.
I see they have written a response to me as well but I was not interested in their opinion/response. I can work things out for myself on the matters they were addressing (from my cursory glance) in their post. I was specifically interested in a more detailed response from the person that wrote this:
Makes a few good points but quite a lazy article, really. Dull and full of cliches - nothing happening so why not whack out an anti-Mourinho article, eh?
I was interested in why you felt it was 'lazy' (you've now expounded ie slow day) and why it was 'dull' and what the 'cliches' are (not further addressed but what's dull and cliched to one is not the same to all). The post and opinion of fruityloopie , irrespective of how 'sterling' it may be, was of little interest to me because it doesn't address my question which was why you felt that way.
 
At the end of the day, our players are in this like everyone, but it does certainly give the players that little bit of extra recovery time.

Unchartered territory that it is, we will probably benefit (with the break) more than most teams in the EPL as of today.
 
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Everyone knew Mourinho was a bad idea, his brilliance faded out at real Madrid. He has not been the same since ... only levy is arrogant enough to think he was the right man to replace poch, who i still believe got shafted with the under investment in the squad ...why do people still trust levy to make football decisions he clearly has no clue, and totally got lucky with poch. Then shafted him and sacked him, we need people in charge who know football like man city have begerestein.....

Better question is, was it a panic buy on our part or was something in the works before hand, as I've heard suggested before. I'd also heard Levy had an admiration of Mourinho, even before we signed him.

I think he was a part of a bigger plan for ENIC

New Stadium, Best in the world. European finalists. Solid squad. One of the most decorated managers of the modern era. And the Amazon Prime documentary? An advertisement for a up and coming club.
ENIC were getting ready to sell I bet, and if we weren't having a shit season and in the title running, like Mourinho was supposed to do in theory, then we would be worth a pretty penny to someone. Would Levy and Lewis really say no to close to a billion? Probably not.
 

ErikLamela'sHip

RIP Cheeseroom
If something is accurate/correct (ie it jibes with the evidence/observations) then surely it is persuasive, no? And to what situational specifics are you referring? Pre or post injuries to Kane and Sonny?


I see they have written a response to me as well but I was not interested in their opinion/response. I can work things out for myself on the matters they were addressing (from my cursory glance) in their post. I was specifically interested in a more detailed response from the person that wrote this:

I was interested in why you felt it was 'lazy' (you've now expounded ie slow day) and why it was 'dull' and what the 'cliches' are (not further addressed but what's dull and cliched to one is not the same to all). The post and opinion of fruityloopie , irrespective of how 'sterling' it may be, was of little interest to me because it doesn't address my question which was why you felt that way.
OK, I'll bite. It's more or less a copy and paste job of JW's older articles on JM, but with Spurs replacing Chelsea/Man Utd. But all the jobs were/are different, so different assessment is needed. As for being unpersuasive, JM might not be the right fit for us - agree with JW there - but I didn't come to those conclusions as a result of his article, I made up my mind independently. No more comment needed, frankly.
 
I'm still supporting Jose, but the lack of any improvement on the pitch has been staggering.

Without Kane/Son/Sissoko, if you look at our squad it's about Everton level. So ask yourself, if Jose took over Everton five months ago, would we start seeing improvements in their football? Yes, probably. We've seen no improvement whatsoever, and that has been really disappointing.
Richarlison gets picked for Brazil ahead of Lucas, they actually have a striker in Calvert-Lewin and we don’t. We also lost Eriksen in January to really hit the lack of attacking quality we have hard. No Son, Kane & Eriksen and an out of form Dele.......I wonder how the great Poch teams of years gone by would have coped without those four on song on on the pitch? Not to mention our rancid form under Poch since losing Dembele. Peopl comparing that team and this one as a benchmark for what Jose has done simply isn’t fair.

We went a year nearly without a win away from home, before Sonny got injured we were joint 2nd in the form league from when Mourinho got hired. Honestly Howe isn’t that not improvement beforehand the guts were ripped out of us injury wise?
 
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Exactly. Do you think Chris Wilder goes into the Sheffield United dressing room before their matches to tell them, that they're all League 1/Championship players and the opposition subs could get into this team etc... ect...? yeah I don't either. Jose out!
The thing you don’t grasp is there’s instilling confidence in players and there’s managing their expectations based on reality so that his words don’t lose substance.

We lost Kane, Son, Sissoko & Eriksen pretty much in the same 30 day period. It was inevitable we would struggle so why tell them players that’s they are invincible when the reality is without that quality available we would probably go onto lose more than we win? In the future when Mourinho tells them he believes in them, an element of truth will be felt when he says so as he hasn’t blown smoke unnecessarily up their arses.

Taking pressure off of them when they go into most games as longshots (own goals has been our 3rd highest source of goals during the no Kane & Son era) just ensures the players know that when we lose it isn’t because of their shortcomings but that of the depth to which they can cope. Seems smart to me yet some see it as sulky Jose, most of who have nowhere near as much experience and success as he does as a manager of people and players.
 

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