"and a couple of good runs in the cups"
Oh God just fucking kill me now
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I am sure that there are some better forums for self harm than this one.
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I am sure that there are some better forums for self harm than this one.
The project was to make us a CL regular by the time the stadium was built...we are getting closer to winning trophies, we've been semi final regulars in the domestic trophies the last few seasons, this year we made the biggest club final there is...
"and a couple of good runs in the cups"
Oh God just fucking kill me now
Not to go too over the top, but I'd be perfectly happy to put your out of your misery if things are as bad as you project as a Spurs fan....
Walking away might be less dramatic tho'.
Chat less shite and they may turn to agrees...... Kinda how it works, y'know.
I'm sort of in the middle here.
I feel it's an absolute must that we win a trophy asap.
I recognise the difficulty in winning trophies with Man City around.
I understand the pragmatism of prioritising a top 4 finish over a domestic cup win, the fa cup wins done little for Woolwich.
I feel it's an absolute must that we win a trophy asap.
I recognise the difficulty in winning trophies with Man City around.
I understand the pragmatism of prioritising a top 4 finish over a domestic cup win, the fa cup wins done little for Woolwich.
It's petulance like this that puts people off of you.
I agreed with with you that expectation "needn't" come into it ,and offered that it often does regardless.
Just do the bit you can control then.
That is the point
The Hood "I hold everyone at the club accountable..........but I only criticise Poch"
See ya
So only Poch is to blame for losing the Cl, not the players for playing below their ability.
ochfacepalm:Brilliantly put......has definately made me think...quality read...
It is not that important what you or I want as supporters as what the players want. Players including Kane have talked about winning trophies and whilst they believe they can do it with Tottenham they will stay. At one time we constantly played weak teams in the cups. Now if we get an important match we play a strong team. We just have not won them. Beating MC and Ajax made me think we had turned a corner but surely we are close and just need to get over the line to get more.
Not that one, actually which one were you thinking of? I mean, for the right money...
It's a good, balanced read but ibetwixt the margins so are 99.5% of fans.
The writer forgets those fans who only arrived at the top 4 party. Why should they look back? Indeed how can they?
People are 100% entitled to their opinions but I think too much is inferred by the posts people make.
My point stands and I started with a good, balanced read did I not?
Had I missed the point of the article I could not have written what I did.
That’s all well and good but the glaring elephant in the room is that little thing called ‘silverware’.
The suggestion that we should look at how far we have come when the club has gone through its first decade without silverware since the 30s is somewhat of hallow one. More so given that the club has had two of its best sides in that time.
The spend narrative has always been a misguided one - the club even its its current position doesn’t have the capacity to compete in this arena. We haven’t needed too - we have built one of the best squads in Europe in recent years operating a low spend.
The issue doesn’t rest with the players - the talent is clearly there, a large part lies with the management and clearly my position on our manager is quite apparent . Whilst the majority believe we have a Ivan Lendl to use a tennis analogy ( where despite his failures it is/was only a matter of time before he won a major) to me it’s quite apparent with have a Tim Heman ( a very good player but one not good enough to win major honours). The real interest here is why this is a topic of discussion that 99% of the supporter base absolutely refuse to have.
But let’s put that aside because there is other issues at play. The mentality of the supporter base is also to blame. This endless referencing of failed eras is hugely damaging - I don’t care if you remember the 90s - what relevance does those teams have to this one? We shouldn’t be setting expectations around failed teams and failed eras - it should be based on what we have now relative to our peers.
That’s why this laissez faire approach from so may of our supporters is so infuriating. The notion that we don’t have to believe that this is the time now is quite frankly absurd. The club has built a team that typically comes around once in a generation - it’s gone nearly 30 years since its last FA Cup win, nearly 40 since a UEFA cup win. It has to capitalise on that and it hasn’t - that can’t be disputed.
Tottenham’s history and tradition is rooted in silverware and success - it’s most successful manager openly stated that finishing without silverware represented a bad season and that second best wasn’t good enough. Why on earth so many of our supporters have chosen to ignore our history and traditions at time when we have team capable of wining major honours I simply do not know. It really is an unhealthy situation for the club when it has a supporter base so unwillingly to place any sort of expectations of such a talented side.
The suggestion that we should look at how far we have come when the club has gone through its first decade without silverware since the 30s is somewhat of hallow one. More so given that the club has had two of its best sides in that time.
The spend narrative has always been a misguided one - the club even its its current position doesn’t have the capacity to compete in this arena. We haven’t needed too - we have built one of the best squads in Europe in recent years operating a low spend.
The issue doesn’t rest with the players - the talent is clearly there, a large part lies with the management and clearly my position on our manager is quite apparent . Whilst the majority believe we have a Ivan Lendl to use a tennis analogy ( where despite his failures it is/was only a matter of time before he won a major) to me it’s quite apparent with have a Tim Heman ( a very good player but one not good enough to win major honours). The real interest here is why this is a topic of discussion that 99% of the supporter base absolutely refuse to have.
But let’s put that aside because there is other issues at play. The mentality of the supporter base is also to blame. This endless referencing of failed eras is hugely damaging - I don’t care if you remember the 90s - what relevance does those teams have to this one? We shouldn’t be setting expectations around failed teams and failed eras - it should be based on what we have now relative to our peers.
That’s why this laissez faire approach from so may of our supporters is so infuriating. The notion that we don’t have to believe that this is the time now is quite frankly absurd. The club has built a team that typically comes around once in a generation - it’s gone nearly 30 years since its last FA Cup win, nearly 40 since a UEFA cup win. It has to capitalise on that and it hasn’t - that can’t be disputed.
Tottenham’s history and tradition is rooted in silverware and success - it’s most successful manager openly stated that finishing without silverware represented a bad season and that second best wasn’t good enough. Why on earth so many of our supporters have chosen to ignore our history and traditions at time when we have team capable of wining major honours I simply do not know. It really is an unhealthy situation for the club when it has a supporter base so unwillingly to place any sort of expectations of such a talented side.
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I started following us in ‘92 so I don’t really need to talk with someone about other failed eras. Again that was then this is now - it’s pointless to continually reference failed periods more so when they were decades ago. Seriously move on and focus on what we have now and make the absolute most it whilst it is here.
Speak to any City supporter and they will tell you their most prized memory is Aguero scoring in the 93rd minute to win the league beating their rivals in the process.
Success in competitive sport - whether it is football, tennis, Rugby success is defined by silverware, that is thee definitive outcome and terms of measurement. Now you may wish alter the definition of that - the game doesn’t and never will. Does that mean we cannot enjoy other times and moments - no it doesn’t but I will always want ( and expect when we have a team of this standing) to challenge and win silverware. That’s the clubs history and tradition and it’s our jobs as supporters to uphold that.
I suspect you are another one of those ‘90s’ supporters who is endlessly marooned in that failed time. And I get it - how can you ever be disappointed when your reference point is that era - even a modicum of success will be magnified when that is the basis of comparison.
No is I don’t but I also do not try convince myself that CL participation will elevate us to a level that it simply cannot. One of the primary issues is this obsession with CL football - when the main objective becomes securing additional revenues is it any wonder that doesn’t win anything?
They gained promotion 20 years ago - do you think our supporter bases were concerned by our relegation in the ‘70s when we won silverware in the ‘80s? Again you are marooned in another decade - in another time and team. Had we won the league in the last couple of years I wouldn’t have felt the need to reference the ‘90s because what would the point of that be? Are you trying to tell me winning the league would mean more to a supporter who had experienced the 90s than one who grew up in the 00s? I don’t believe that for one second. And again you are being highly selective with the time frames - the point of reference is alway a troubled time. You do this because it’s avoids disappointment - because it is the easy way out. Using failed eras as the reference point will always result in achievement - but achievements that no one outside of the supporter base respects.
A false sense of entitlement? Are you serious? Expectations should be set on the players that we have and we have had one of the most talented teams in the league for the last 5 seasons. What is false is your position because it disregards this and instead centres of historic failures. We could have the 70s Brazil team playing for us and yet the supporter base would claim that we shouldn’t have the expectation of trophies whilst endlessly elevating league placings and semi final finishes. There is a compete disconnect between the talent we have and the expectations that supporters have for this team. In truth you don’t believe we deserve our place with the best.