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Havent read the whole debate here Gobby, but you're not suggesting the ref cost us points are you ?
The moment we went ahead, we looked clueless, couldn't string 2 passes together. The pundits can get fooked as can the ref, but the score flattered us.
Gazza saved us from a thrashing.
Its one thing to defend a 1 nil lead at Anfield, but to complete only 290 passes, and again allow the opp to land 13 shots on goal, was hard to watch.
This one is on Poch.
Back post runs for headers that are just as much the delivery as the finish and a lucky juggle and volley from 2 and 4 seasons ago respectively. Neither of those things made him a good player then and their memory don't make him a good player now. He is not a 'footballer' he is/was someone that score a few goals due to goal hanging and the general good play of the team. If the best thing you can say about a player is he is best without the ball and playing on instinct then I say 'hard pass'.Go on You tube and watch his goals at Palace and the Chavs
He was good all right but a shadow of his former self ruined by this manager
I just can't bring myself to agree with this, although deep down inside, I think you're right. I thought he had a reasonable game against red star, and was hoping he was getting back to form. But yesterday, although there was the odd trick in play, simple passes were not hitting their target, and he did not have a good gameBack post runs for headers that are just as much the delivery as the finish and a lucky juggle and volley from 2 and 4 seasons ago respectively. Neither of those things made him a good player then and their memory don't make him a good player now. He is not a 'footballer' he is/was someone that score a few goals due to goal hanging and the general good play of the team. If the best thing you can say about a player is he is best without the ball and playing on instinct then I say 'hard pass'.
You and many others have gotten fooled by the MK Tim Cahill. Nothing more. And now you're rationalizing why he's lost something he never actually had. It's not his hamstrings that prevent him from controlling a ball. It's not the physios that prevent him from making an accurate 10yd pass. It's not Poch preventing him from tracking runners. It's not his clothing line that prevents him from seeking the ball in the MF. It's all due to his lack of talent. He's not a good footballer and never was. He will never be 'back' no matter how many smoothies or downward dogs he does. He will still be a deficient footballer. This should have been picked up by the club as a few very keen, intelligent, and handsome observers had noticed. ****
And though sammyspurs wants and thinks he'll get back to his 2016 form when he was knocking them in weekly from outside the box (or some other confabulation) even that wasn't good enough. You saw Ndombele and GLC out there. Those are footballers where the seeking of the ball, the controlling of the ball, the passing of the ball, the recognition of time and space, etc. distinguishes their play and not some grainy video of 1 thing done sometime in the past. The kid is not good enough and hasn't improved his game and that is not the physios' or the manager's fault.
I'm with you on Sissoko but the Dele train is a step too far.
****I was one of them just in case you were wondering.ochlol:
Not sure why you think I rate Dele.....been saying he’s played shit since the autumn of 2017.Back post runs for headers that are just as much the delivery as the finish and a lucky juggle and volley from 2 and 4 seasons ago respectively. Neither of those things made him a good player then and their memory don't make him a good player now. He is not a 'footballer' he is/was someone that score a few goals due to goal hanging and the general good play of the team. If the best thing you can say about a player is he is best without the ball and playing on instinct then I say 'hard pass'.
You and many others have gotten fooled by the MK Tim Cahill. Nothing more. And now you're rationalizing why he's lost something he never actually had. It's not his hamstrings that prevent him from controlling a ball. It's not the physios that prevent him from making an accurate 10yd pass. It's not Poch preventing him from tracking runners. It's not his clothing line that prevents him from seeking the ball in the MF. It's all due to his lack of talent. He's not a good footballer and never was. He will never be 'back' no matter how many smoothies or downward dogs he does. He will still be a deficient footballer. This should have been picked up by the club as a few very keen, intelligent, and handsome observers had noticed. ****
And though sammyspurs wants and thinks he'll get back to his 2016 form when he was knocking them in weekly from outside the box (or some other confabulation) even that wasn't good enough. You saw Ndombele and GLC out there. Those are footballers where the seeking of the ball, the controlling of the ball, the passing of the ball, the recognition of time and space, etc. distinguishes their play and not some grainy video of 1 thing done sometime in the past. The kid is not good enough and hasn't improved his game and that is not the physios' or the manager's fault.
I'm with you on Sissoko but the Dele train is a step too far.
****I was one of them just in case you were wondering.ochlol:
Absolutely agree, he just seems to get every fucking decision without question week in and out. 'The officiating and media' is so biased and if not that cunt, then it's Salah diving. He's the ultimate footballing cheating cunt & i badly want to see him do an ankle ligament. (not nice but fuck it) They say decisions balance out which is completely BS.What a load of shit that call was. Worse than the handball call on Sissoko in the last CL final. That little cunning rat Mane did it again
It's called football. When a goalie is superb that's what happens but what the ref did was make sure 'Pool won. I don't know what game you were watching but the ref was all day giving them decisions.
So some dopey fans on here slag off their team rather than the ref. Watch ANY game you won't see a more biased performance - it was shite from Taylor but the fake fans on here will argue otherwise.
I come on a Spurs forum and have to argue with idiots or fake Spurs fans to say what actually happened. It was one of the worst ref displays ever but Spurs fans don't defend their own. Why was Mike Dean 4th official when he's not allowed to ref Liverpool games? Why was (cheat) Mané MOM when Gazza was obviously MOM? Only idiots on here ignore these details or are fake!
It's unreal....
Perhaps he’s like me at 5-a-side: I need to go in goal partway through as I can’t run the whole hour any more?Here’s an idea, why not give GLC a fucking start vs everton! No more of this, 5, 10 mins crap..man looks good, but how can he be judged when he’s been handled with kid gloves. Start him next week and give 65-70 mins, can’t be any worse then Erikson was today.
haha - I like number 7.Yep he did. Exactly. Still a penalty but always a merc. Match 3 and the player is a merc:
- someone more concerned with exploiting the rules to gain an advantage that actually playing football.
- someone who wants to get players sent off.
- Someone who looks to buy penalties. I see you Alan Shearer.
- Someone who thinks getting yellow cards by hassling the referee is considered "professional"
- Someone who when losing a challenge clutches a part of their anatomy in the hope of gaining a foul or even better, stopping the game when the counter is on.
- Refuses to play for their national team unless certain riders are in place.
- Doesn't speak to the media unless the lighting is right.
BBC made Gazza MoM. Any channel that has Carragher and Souness commentating on a Liverpool match can’t really be trusted to be honest.It's called football. When a goalie is superb that's what happens but what the ref did was make sure 'Pool won. I don't know what game you were watching but the ref was all day giving them decisions.
So some dopey fans on here slag off their team rather than the ref. Watch ANY game you won't see a more biased performance - it was shite from Taylor but the fake fans on here will argue otherwise.
I come on a Spurs forum and have to argue with idiots or fake Spurs fans to say what actually happened. It was one of the worst ref displays ever but Spurs fans don't defend their own. Why was Mike Dean 4th official when he's not allowed to ref Liverpool games? Why was (cheat) Mané MOM when Gazza was obviously MOM? Only idiots on here ignore these details or are fake!
It's unreal....
Boy believes his own hype. Was good whilst he was trying to prove people wrong... now I guess he feel there is nothing to prove. Shame his level has dropped off a cliff.
Giving Mane Motm was basically rewarding him for cheating. That was never a pen . When Aurier saw this cunt was about to try to steal a pen, he even tried to pull back from the clearance he was making. Ref wanted to give them everything and he did.It's called football. When a goalie is superb that's what happens but what the ref did was make sure 'Pool won. I don't know what game you were watching but the ref was all day giving them decisions.
So some dopey fans on here slag off their team rather than the ref. Watch ANY game you won't see a more biased performance - it was shite from Taylor but the fake fans on here will argue otherwise.
I come on a Spurs forum and have to argue with idiots or fake Spurs fans to say what actually happened. It was one of the worst ref displays ever but Spurs fans don't defend their own. Why was Mike Dean 4th official when he's not allowed to ref Liverpool games? Why was (cheat) Mané MOM when Gazza was obviously MOM? Only idiots on here ignore these details or are fake!
It's unreal....
Back post runs for headers that are just as much the delivery as the finish and a lucky juggle and volley from 2 and 4 seasons ago respectively. Neither of those things made him a good player then and their memory don't make him a good player now. He is not a 'footballer' he is/was someone that score a few goals due to goal hanging and the general good play of the team. If the best thing you can say about a player is he is best without the ball and playing on instinct then I say 'hard pass'.
You and many others have gotten fooled by the MK Tim Cahill. Nothing more. And now you're rationalizing why he's lost something he never actually had. It's not his hamstrings that prevent him from controlling a ball. It's not the physios that prevent him from making an accurate 10yd pass. It's not Poch preventing him from tracking runners. It's not his clothing line that prevents him from seeking the ball in the MF. It's all due to his lack of talent. He's not a good footballer and never was. He will never be 'back' no matter how many smoothies or downward dogs he does. He will still be a deficient footballer. This should have been picked up by the club as a few very keen, intelligent, and handsome observers had noticed. ****
And though sammyspurs wants and thinks he'll get back to his 2016 form when he was knocking them in weekly from outside the box (or some other confabulation) even that wasn't good enough. You saw Ndombele and GLC out there. Those are footballers where the seeking of the ball, the controlling of the ball, the passing of the ball, the recognition of time and space, etc. distinguishes their play and not some grainy video of 1 thing done sometime in the past. The kid is not good enough and hasn't improved his game and that is not the physios' or the manager's fault.
I'm with you on Sissoko but the Dele train is a step too far.
****I was one of them just in case you were wondering.ochlol:
One of the reasons I didn't watch on sky yesterday had it on a foreign channel.Disappointed with the result afetr the start we had,but not surprised.
Everyone who i watched the game with was screaming at Aurier " don't bring him down".Soft penalty,but a genuine wone with the rules.
I thought we responded well. LA st third of the game was as good as i have seen us all season,league wise. Gazza was sublime. So i am going to take some positives out of it.
Kane's goal showed true strikers class.Basic, but he saw what was happening before it did.
My football local is a standard north London mix,between US,Goons and a few other.Everyone was commenting on how biased the pundits were towards Liverpool,and i mean everyone.
They don't even try to hide it anymore.
The major difference in the teams yesterday was the full backs, they were progressive, strong in the tackle and always a threat from crosses. In contrast we just kept smashing the ball back to them which is OK once or twice but you have to try to retain the ball and draw fouls to relieve pressure away from home. Constantly giving the ball away is not a game plan...The penalty was a penalty, mane played for it no doubt , but it was always going to be given to them with contact in the box, other thoughts on the match are dele was a ghost , I have been one of his biggest fans but but even I’m doubting if we will ever see the real dele again, also if we can get GLC and Ndombele starting every game and a pair of decent full backs and a DM I think we have the making of a great team, it’s just worrying the amount of times we have thrown away a lead just lately and once they made it 1 all we knew it would end in them winning ! On a side note Gazza looked superb, but we all know regardless of how good he does in Hugo absence as soon as Hugo is back fit Gazza will be dropped to the bench, I wish the part where poch said it’s time to be brave meant a clean slate for everyone meaning your only as good as your last game and not picked as your one of his favourites ! And maybe make a change while we are 1-0 up once in a while? Who knows what would have happened had the Ndombele for winks sub came at half time and than GLC for Erisken on 60