Media Bias

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Yes.....much better to have your logic:



Away to Barcelona with a "mid table" squad
Embarrassing . . . .

We look so average it's painful to watch.

A half arsed 2nd string Barcelona you fucking cretin.

An embarrassing display this half has been.



Then we equalise to qualify.....


:memeokay::memeokay::memeokay::memeokay::memeokay::memeokay::memeokay:

Oh that hurt didnt it....

Final whistle

8 points through to the knockout LOL
Doesnt post for a week after the Barca game....



On to Scum away...2-0 win

We are so weak we are getting bullied in midfield.

We are struggling against woolwich without Dembele.

We are very weak in midfield.

Winks and Eriksen are both lightweights and highly ineffective off the ball.

We desperately need a new CM in January.

They are bypassing our midfield like it's absolutely nothing.

Not a single reference to either goal though......

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On to Everton 6-2 win.....


The points tally this season massively flatters us.

We are conceding more chances and creating much less than both 2016/17 and 2017/18.

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5-0 win, posted at half time while 3-0 up against Bournemouth

Could have easily been 3-2 , we have ridden our luck here.



Then onto a Scum match, where you find room to point out that you think their manager is better than Poch at something...

Eyezil taken off at HT after poor showing.

Wish Poch was this rutheless.


"Realist"
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They just can't get their heads around people not liking their precious, precious Liverpool.

Do neutral fans not want Liverpool to win the league, or is it just a social media myth?

Do neutral fans not want Liverpool to win the league, or is it just a social media myth?
But what about the true neutrals? Does this anti-Liverpool sentiment span beyond the North West?

Steve Taylor, from Carlisle: If they win the league it may be necessary to evacuate the north of England. Think of the first two months of any given season and all the 'our year' chat and amplify it by a thousand. When AC Milan forgot how to play football in the second half, gifting them a Champions League win in 2005, it nearly opened a portal to the underworld. It was intolerable for years. Winning a league can't be written off as dumb luck, so there is no way they could be silenced. It cannot happen.


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Was at Wembley tonight and we were superb and supreme. One of the best performances I have ever seen I feel. The commitment was astonishing.

Just watched MOTD and somehow they edited a version of the game together that suggested United were not awful. They even highlighted a nothing foul by Alli by saying how bad it was, yet showed fuck all of the antics from United ( how many times did someone go through Kane and Son from behind ) Almost no pause on the Penalty that we should have got and then a laboured reflection on Son’s incident. We had 20+ shots against there handful and yet it looked like they had as many chances as us ! It’s just false

Really fucks me off how the media can’t allow the truth out against shit like United. This is why MOTD is actually harming football. Get off your arses and go watch a fucking game !
 
Criticize Liverpool? no way, a defeat is just a step to success ... cue the media report

"Exactly 45 years ago today, Liverpool suffered a second consecutive 2-1 defeat to Red Star Belgrade that was later cited as vital to their subsequent domination of Europe

It is often said that the lessons from that European Cup second-round humbling at the hands of the Serbian champions laid the foundations for the Reds lifting the trophy for the first time three-and-a-half years later

And so, with an away game against Paris Saint-Germain up next and progression in the balance, Klopp will at least hope that this defeat - and mostly importantly the manner in which it was delivered - is timely if nothing else"

So playing utter shite and losing, ignore that, it's just a step to their inevitable world domination ... you might expect that from the Liverpool Echo .. but this is from the feckin' Evening Standard ....
 
I find it really strange that the media don't find the THFC story more sexy. Here's a Club that has worked tirelessly over 10 years or so to gradually improve the squad, the training facilities, the stadium, maintaining more than any other team a consistent top 4 position in recent years. Unlike all of our competitors, we have never bought the so-called world class players (other than Hugo who at the time of purchase was considered to be so) to provide immediate - if very expensive - improvement in standards. All this with a current squad that is very likeable and provides the spine of the England team, yet it seems everyone is waiting, even hoping, that the wheels will fall off.
 
So, Man Utd fail for the 4th season in a row to win a trophy despite huge spending. Where are all the transfer stories for Bruno to move to a big club? :levyeyes:

Should Harry Kane Bruno Fernandes leave Tottenham Manchester United as he approaches his peak years?
Kane Fernandes, who turns 28 27 in the summer, is yet to win a major trophy at Spurs United
 
Excellent piece by @spursblogger, Alan Fisher...

It seems to me that Spurs’ recent success has upset a few people. The old Tottenham, you knew where you were with them. A club with heritage but a great future behind us. Twenty-odd transitional seasons in a row, constantly failing to live up to expectations. The UEFA Cup was tailor-made for us, the competition for teams who aren’t good enough. Echoes of glory first taunted us then became the sound of silence as we took stock for another year of more of the same.

After a while, fans wrapped ourselves up in the cosy familiarity of it all, comfort blankets of self-deprecation and fatalistic humour, of being spursy, to keep out the icy chill of envy as neighbours from down the road and west London did rather better. And throughout we stayed loyal, turned up, proud to be Spurs, never wanted to be like them.

We knew our place, then we were good and it all went wrong. Wrong that is for those who wouldn’t accept that things had changed, changed not through the largesse of dodgy foreign billionaires but because we got it about right. Good players and a manager who could make them better, who could make them believe in him and themselves. Living within our means. No coincidence that rivalry with Chelsea and West Ham has become white hot since we had the nerve to be good.

Sections of the media have had trouble adjusting too. Fans are fond of accusing the media of being biased against their club and theirs alone, and many Spurs fans would agree with such allegations but I doubt it’s accurate. Supporters of every club say the same – recently I’ve seen this taken for granted in social media debates amongst Manchester United and Chelsea fans. The media needs United like it needs no other side because of their power to raise viewing figures, sell papers and generate clicks.

The media frame their perceptions in terms of their narrative. It’s the same for every club, just a different narrative. For twenty or more years, Spurs played out the narrative I’ve described above. Pundits and journalists knew where they were with it. Being different has confused some of them. In response, some of them want to keep the narrative at the expense of reality.

Which brings me to Matt Hughes’ article in yesterday’s Times. Not the Star or the S*n, the Times, and yes, to someone of my generation that still matters. Hughes says Spurs are no longer the right club for Harry Kane because he’s too good for us.

“Put bluntly it appears that Kane’s talent and personal accomplishments could soon outgrow those of Spurs particularly given the financial and squad-building restrictions caused by building the club’s new stadium, although whether he recognises that as yet is uncertain. Given Tottenham have won just one trophy in the last 18 years – the 2008 League Cup – it is questionable whether the club is the fitting stage for his talents.”

What is most questionable about this piece are misleading assumptions about the club, the player and the imperatives of contemporary football upon which it is based. Tottenham are battling to be better, to be contenders. Undoubtedly Levy’s financial restrictions make this task harder but right now we’re in there fighting. Stadium costs impede efforts in the short term but ensure long-term growth. Nothing seems further from Hughes’ mind than the possibility we might crack this one. I’m a realist: Wembley diminishes our chances of league honours, a lack of progress means our top players will be vulnerable to transfer bids, which diminishes our chances, and so on and so it goes. Equally, there is a legitimate alternative scenario where this side matures and develops into a real force with a future secured by vastly higher income streams. And so that goes too.

Then there is Kane himself. The article acknowledges that he is happy at Tottenham. However, this is supposedly outweighed by his comparatively low salary (Andre Gray and Nathaniel Clyne earn more than he does, to put his wages in perspective) and the rumoured resentment amongst his team-mates created by his acceptance of such a contract, which depresses wages for everyone else allegedly.

Thus the fact Kane is happy at Spurs is characterised as irrelevant and frankly odd. Look again at the quote above: “whether he recognises that as yet is uncertain.” Hughes will not accept that Kane can think clearly for himself. That sentence reeks of contempt.

Here’s a thought. Harry has made his own mind up that he is content with his lot in life at the moment. On top form, he wants to be part of Pochettino’s Tottenham. He lives with his new baby near his extended family, and a decent living it is too.

Elsewhere in the piece Hughes says clearly that Kane’s loyalty could hinder his career. For Hughes, loyalty, the quality perhaps most valued by supporters, both in our own identity as Spurs fans and in our players, is denigrated then dismissed.

Kane could earn a lot more elsewhere. If he left, I’d wish him well. What infuriates me is the dismissal of the notion that there is value in where his life is at right now. It’s a decent package: home life, the club who have looked after him and coached him to become the player he is, a manager with faith in him. And a crowd who adore him, who sing ‘he’s one of our own’ and mean it. To a bloke like Harry, that matters too. Kane has integrity and honesty. Those qualities don’t hold him back, they make him the man and the player he has become.

This article is about Harry Kane but the narrative holds across much football punditry. That all good players must inevitably end up at one of Europe’s few elite clubs. Kane’s performances are greeted each week on Sky TV with the grating story, ‘he’s due a move to a bigger club.’ I’m looking at you Jamie Redknapp. Many in the media are quick to employ another popular narrative with professional footballers, that they are over-paid, aloof, distant from fans and from the real world, only in it for the money. Yet when a conflicting story comes along, they are quick to reinforce this stereotype and say that money is what matters. I look forward to the article saying that Kane breaks the mould, that he’s a role model on and off the pitch, a professional footballer who understands his roots, knows what really matters in life, cares about his performances and about the supporters.

I’ll wait.

Kane Defies Expectations: Shame Some Still Don’t Get It. And Tottenham On My Mind is Changing
 
Interesting article all about media/fan bias by Henry Winter in The Times today:

Football has always been a kick in the tribals. Rival fans lash out at the lauding of Liverpool, just as many fume at headlines celebrating Manchester United’s revival under Ole Gunnar Solskjaer and seethe at the deification of Mauricio “But what’s he won?” Pochettino.

It’s the supporter’s staple of insularity often stained with jealousy, almost amplifying love for their own team by loathing others. It’s being a fan. Opposing supporters fulminate at the lengthy eulogies bestowed on Manchester City under the visionary Pep Guardiola, whose team was acclaimed as the greatest in Premier League history a month ago.

The focus has changed, the pendulum swinging more in Liverpool’s favour now. The media, far from fickle, simply reflects form and there is plenty of uplifting work, on and off the field, to reflect and respect now with Liverpool.

The possibility of Liverpool winning the title — and it needs stating again and again that a defiant, dynamic City still stand in their way — causes apoplexy among many. Talk to fans of other clubs and they frequently claim a media love-in with Liverpool. One Chelsea diehard totted up the number of former Liverpool players working as pundits and, exhausted, stopped at 44. Manchester United alumni fill studios, too.

Most of the former United and Liverpool pundits are pretty objective. Press boxes are neutral, and the three or four Liverpool fans by birth among the main 50-odd football writers are, to this observer’s eye, consistently balanced. Yes, they salute Jürgen Klopp and his team, just as they have City under Guardiola, United under Sir Alex Ferguson, Chelsea under José Mourinho and Woolwich, for the most part, under Arsène Wenger. And yet there is this perception of Liverpool being the media darlings. During an instructive debate on social media over the past 36 hours, one supporter retorted, and doubtless spoke for many: “Facts don’t matter when it comes to hating Liverpool.”

Why? What is it about Liverpool that stirs such antipathy? The tasteless “always the victim” chants from United visitors can be consigned to the shameful shadows where they belong when set against the bravery of so many Liverpool campaigners fighting for justice over Hillsborough. (During the run-in, April brings the 30th anniversary of the disaster, which will keep even the thought of a mere trophy, a mere sport in proper perspective).

Opposing fans accuse Kopites of a sense of entitlement, of living in the past, singing “we won it five times” about their European Cup feats, but great clubs do cherish their history. And if Chelsea fans’ banner of “making history, not reliving it” is a dig at Liverpool, they cannot also slam the Kop for revelling in the present. Isn’t this what every fan wants? A proud past and a future full of hope? Liverpool are in a good place then.

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Firmino is one third of a Liverpool front three that has been whipping up a stormALAMY
Rival fans spluttering about what Kopites will be like if they were to end 29 years without the title should imagine their own reaction if they had waited that long. Desperate for the trophy. Those holding on even longer, the likes of Everton and Spurs, should take heart that persistence may be rewarded. Even if Liverpool fail to outrun Guardiola’s champion thoroughbreds, there is so much to admire.

Liverpool possess many principles that should be valued even more in a changing, more corporate world. The game should be about glory, about trophies, which Klopp’s men chase and the Kop craves. Football should not be about the battle for fourth, the amassing of dividends for shareholders or who has got the biggest, busiest megastore. Liverpool seem to have the balance right between one foot in the community and one foot in the commercial world.

So those who decry the Kop, who believe that Liverpool fans are a “cult” with their banners and anthems should not forget that it was Liverpool supporters, along with Woolwich’s and a few others, who led the fight against Premier League clubs’ avarice on ticket prices.

In February 2016, the Kop called their owners out over the scandalous £77 charge for a seat for 90 minutes in the new stand, staging a walk-out and chorusing “you greedy bastards, enough is enough”. Fenway Sports Group (FSG), in fairness, backed down (although some issues remain). Liverpool’s chief executive, Peter Moore, recently took to social media to address fans’ frustrations about the members’ ticket sales process. There seems an accountability at Anfield not always found among elite English clubs.

Just talk to Woolwich fans. They would love to talk properly to their increasingly distant club. At Liverpool, FSG appointed Tony Barrett, formerly a football writer of The Times, as head of club and supporter liaison, a conduit between the terraces and corridors of power. When Liverpool visited Roma last May, it was Barrett, standing outside the Stadio Olimpico with many fans and too few open gates, contacting Uefa, urging them to react quickly. Uefa rarely respond with the requisite speed but Barrett got them to, preventing a bottleneck. No wonder his unstinting commitment to fans’ welfare earned him an award from the Football Supporters’ Federation. Other clubs are considering following Liverpool’s example, liaising better with supporters. Good.

Liverpool do many things right, keeping club close to community.

They have a manager in Klopp who cares, who used his Christmas message to hail the NHS and the work being carried out at Alder Hey hospital “with absolute world-class staff supporting those brave children and parents fighting some of life’s most important battles. I cannot tell you how high my respect and admiration is for everyone there”.

Most clubs would love Klopp representing them so passionately, engaging with fans, clearly loved by his players. And yet, beyond the bonhomie is a driven, almost ruthless figure, drawing fully on sports science to prepare his team. Liverpool even employ a specialist throw-in coach.

Klopp is about marginal gains as well as inspiring man-management. He is a man who understands his environment, whether dressing room, stand or surrounding streets, and connects with them emotionally. How many other managers do? Mourinho didn’t.

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Liverpool have kept their soul amid their pursuit of the Premier League titlePHIL NOBLE/REUTERS
Klopp’s players are committed to their community work, like their peers elsewhere of course. Everton’s are exceptional. Woolwich In The Community has been changing — and saving — lives since 1985. Liverpool players certainly understand their responsibilities. The captain, Jordan Henderson, organised a whip-round at Melwood for Fans Supporting Foodbanks and met up with Liverpool fan Ian Byrne and Evertonian Dave Kelly, two of the driving forces behind this vital initiative. A foodbank van is stationed on club land on Anfield Road on match-day. Moore is a regular contributor and there is a drop-off point for donations in the Anfield shop.

Liverpool have kept their soul, not always easy for a club in the money-obsessed Premier League. Trent Alexander-Arnold hosted a lunch for the lonely and disadvantaged on Christmas Day, Henderson funded an event for underprivileged or disabled children two days before Christmas and handed out presents, while Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain visited a charity in Toxteth. Many players do this, as they should, using football as a force for good, but it is worth noting in the feverish debate about Liverpool that their squad is a collection of good characters as well as good players.

On the pitch, their talent is clear. It is important for the overall lustre of the Premier League that such a thrilling team, who have never won the title in the present format, are in contention. That might add a fistful of dinars to the next overseas broadcast deal. Everybody benefits.

Anybody who loves exciting, fearless football should appreciate the attacking from full back of Alexander-Arnold and Andy Robertson towards the predatory poetry in motion of Mo Salah, Sadio Mané and Roberto Firmino, who can whip up a storm in an instant.

As one Liverpool fan posting on the Red And White Kop forum observed: “We aren’t walking through the storm now — we are the storm.” The storm has built gradually and shrewdly under Klopp, a lesson to clubs, whatever the vicious views of rival fans.

Stan Kroenke, Woolwich’s absentee owner, could certainly look at what his compatriot John W Henry oversees at Liverpool: an outstanding, balanced recruitment structure, investing properly in ability, seeking out bargains such as Robertson at £8 million and also spending £75 million on a centre back of Virgil van Dijk’s commanding nature, rather than Sokratis and Shkodran Mustafi, defensive makeweights who cost Woolwich £53 million between them. So ignore the tribal screams; Liverpool should be seen as a model club in many ways.
‘Why do so many fans claim there’s a media love in???!!!!’

*Proceeds to write a 10,000 word Liverpool love in* :pochunimpressed:

Vomit.
 
Think I’m coming down gently off my cloud

My 18 year old son who was literally on the floor when we were 4-2 down he couldn’t speak I’m sure he was in tears speaking over the phone I said we’d score one more stick with it. We did only to concede (not concede) at the death match over I called him his phone rang and rang finally spoke to him after about an hour he sounded exhausted, said he needed some fresh air and now wanted to sleep. Odd he’s not a disgraceful drunken lout like his old man.
Fast forward to earlier today he phoned me at work speaking at a hundred words a minute all excited, saying how it all just sunk in and then he said Thanks.
Thanks for what I thought did the thieving toe rag of a child abscond with my credit card??
No thank you dad for making him a Spurs supporter, taking him to the Lane when he was 2 years old to see us lose 3 nil to Fulham, covering his mouth from celebrating whilst sitting in the Holte End, taking the piss out Chelsea Madrid Milan etc etc. Because he seen the greatest game of his life and his team was involved and won.
Now I’m all emotional (I know it’s the come down from my excesses last night)

Good things comes to those who wait. I haven’t done a jot of work today fuckem I’m still celebrating
 
For me the constant disrespecting and mocking of Kane has gone beyond personal and a general disdain for Spurs.

if you’re a young kid with a speech impediment, seeing a high profile person like Kane being abused will definitely rattle you. Their mealy mouthed apology completely misses the point.
 
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